ADR Compliant Import 250 Motards.

[Muzzard]

There is a pic in the gallery of a 250 dirt bike that I was sorting in the design stakes, that Dickhead (Previous investor)as I refer to him, wouldnt allow me to go ahead and produce.
I think that may have been a mistake on his behalf as was the parting of the company.

Stiff shit to him,
There here!

Anyone looking for a cheap aircooled XR250 copy as a commuter motard, ADR compliant, fitted with both wheel sets, full parts and warranty backup for 6 months, choice of blue, red, or black bodywork and wheels

I have already 5 confirmed/deposited orders and are willing to put on a demo bike this week, alas at the moment in dirt trim only.

These are manufactured in the same factory that Yamaha uses on license, and the QA criteria is stringent, so the quality is there to meet ADR's.
PM me for details, or contact me through
supermotoconcepts@hotmail.com
0357223876/0401255450

(I will email Neil a pic to insert here ASAP of the current model.)

[Flash]

Sounds good mate! Will it have a Honda motor (direct copy) so you can use honda performance parts?

[shane]

i have a XR 250 motard at home , japan import i use it for running around town , it is the best anyone that rides it loves it so you could be on a winner ther muzz .

[Muzzard]

Yes Ash,
It has a copy of the CRF230 for the power plant....
Bit of a mix and match frame wise but all the same good units...

All CRF/XR performance parts will fit.

As Shane says,
As a small commuter style motard, they are great.
Very little maintenance and almost no fuel bill.
Not so grunty on the power (15kw), so more forgiving on tyres too..

Demo should be fitted with street tyres by the next track day, so if you come, you can see for yourselves...
Would make nice dirt bike/motard for Carmen Ash ;) ...

[Flash]

I was thinking that to mate!!

When are you bringing it down?

[moritz]

Love to see some pics. Could be interested.

[Muzzard]

Rather than root you all around with sales pics some other bastard ''mickied-up'',
I will bring the bike down as soon as it is assembled and checked, then we can take some pics with Neils smicko camera and then you have a better idea as some of you will also have ridden it by then...


I suggest if the bike is delivered next week as arranged, I would be down the 19/20th August to correspond with the track day ;) And would have already fitted a 18/21 combo street tyre set to it to ride it there...

[Sibbo]

Muz, I will put up my hand if you want some action stunt shots. Also, we will then know how it crashes and burns.

[Wobbly]

I was about to say we could also assess the damage bill and take photos of the scrape marks after sibbo rides it but you beat me to it :lol2:

[shane]

sibbo you must be the only person i know that can crash as good as me :D i can crash any bike as good or better than anyone and much more regular than most :shock:
win or bushes is my motto , as for you poofs that dont crash all the time rember one thing , thats why you are soooooooooo slow :rofl: :roost: :rofl: :roost:

[Flash]

:laughing: =D> :supz:

[Sibbo]

Too true.

If you are not falling off, you are not going hard enough.

[Muzzard]

Sibbo can buy a bike and crash it all he likes.. :roll: but buy it first...

[moritz]

Gotten any pics yet? Would love to see it.

[Sibbo]

See Muzz, you could of had the pics up with my doing wheelies and you would of sold heaps of them.

[Muzzard]

Had a conversation today with one of the Sales representatives for the Jianshe Importers today regards a distributorship again and mentioned the motard conversion I have kitted up for the bikes.
Told him of the considerable interest I received through PM's here about them also
Lets hope the next round of talks are fruitful and we get to see a bike setup, and available to demonstrate.
It may still be a while away for ADR compliancing given DOTARS, and the difficulty dealing with them, but at least if I secure a Pilot 250 and convert it,
You will have the opportunity to preorder off that bike should it meet spec, cost effectiveness and purpose.

[Aus_James]

I'm interested to find out where this goes. keep us informed and when we can check it out

[Muzzard]

Keep you posted ;)

[WOOLO]

Good luck with DOTARS Muzz,they are knobs.

[Muzzard]

Had dealings with DOTARS before WOOLO and know their form mate.
Thats why I'm not bothering with the importation and associated headfuck of ADR compliancing myself.
Let the Importers do that and just purchase them wholesale from them and do the conversions with the extra wheelset included and retail them on ...

[riquez83]

How long till these are a goer?
whats the price range in mind?

[petersteelefreestyle]

pics please

[Muzzard]

Getting a bit annoyed to be honest with the Jianshe Importer in Queensland.
Says they have 172 dealers Australia wide,
Find one in Victoria without having to ring Queensland.
You would think they want dealers wouldn't you,
But it seems after talking with the Sales team there maybe not as nothing is forthcoming yet.
Bit the same as KD Moto Trials and the GAR boots they were supposed to send down.
Had to go to the Company direct, and suggest maybe the same here.
Inform Jianshe JNG that the Importer in Queensland is not looking after there market share and wait for the response then :twisted: ...

I am not bound by any contractual agreement to deal these bikes and can locate myself another supply of donor bikes, seeing they have already been replicated :lol:

[Muzzard]

No more fucking around with Jianshe Australia.
No continuity of contact so that in itself is shitful.
They dont appear to be too interested in selling bikes so I have taken the concept to another manufacturer and this is the results.
There is a 200 Motard specific quad as a TT toy for those who like the quads,
and a range of SM bikes in full size from 50cc using a laydown Honda through to 250cc as a Honda replication engine.
Full cradle frames and all quality fittings instead of the run of the mill PRC based knockoffs fitted in place.
Reasonably priced but not yet ADR compliant.
The 200/250 SM units would make very nice low budget track bikes that would suit the whole family.

http://vsmr.net/albums/non-motard/250cc_Racing_Quads.jpg
http://vsmr.net/albums/non-motard/50cc_Supermoto_EEC_Approval.jpg
http://vsmr.net/albums/non-motard/125cc_Supermoto_EEC_Approval.sized.jpg
http://vsmr.net/albums/non-motard/SMF200_sideBLK_SM.jpg

PM me for details.

[Flash]

They look good mate!
I would be interested (in the future) at a 250 and I know a guy who may be as well. I'll pass your info on to him.

[kroosn]

how much are we looking at price wise? wasnt thinking of getting something like that but it may be an option, also know a few people who may be interested.

Rob

[Muzzard]

Dont want to stick my neck out too far here Rob but would suggest in the vicinity of $3K- $4K mate.
I would also be including a set of dirt wheels laced with my anodised alloy rims in 18" and 21" sizes fitted with tyres, tubes, disc and disc/sprocket accordingly.
I am still negotiating the supply of bikes and expect to be further into the whole deal later this coming week.
I wanted to refresh this thread and guage reaction to this series of bikes.
As you can see a full cradle frame, some semi decent fittings and specs I will post up shortly for all the bikes pictured.
The quad would be grouse for the likes of TT and I am actively seeking the supply of one at the moment.

Would be so straight forward if I was $50K richer :roll:
They would be at sea now...

[dangermouse1100]

Looks good Muzz, even though i'm broke, still sounds like a good deal to me, perfect for TT, but hopefully as the club grows so will our choice of tracks.........
ADR compliance would be nice but anything is possible given time, like you, if i had the money you would already have an order to fill.

[skivi]

Murray they look unbelievably good, and for that price.. wow.

Ive scored myself a full time job for the next few months, working 6 days a week means i don't have time to spend a cent.
if that 250 earns an ADR compliance you just might have me snagging one off you say September-November.

i hope the business venture works out mate.

take care and all the best,
nick

[Muzzard]

Thanks Nick.
The deal is coming together slowly and may take a bit more negotiation before I enter into a written contract for supply and distribution.
All the same, I will and still are keeping you in mind mate ;)

[playwme]

That quad looks like good fun. I was actually looking at the Banshee's when I was in my local dealer getting a throttle cable repaired the other day and I started to think what it would be like lowered with road tyres on it.

[Muzzard]

Motard fitted quads or ones that are used for motarding in Europe are certainly very advanced from our idea of quad racers.
The wide 'A' arms and lowered, big 2 strokes like the Zabel/MTH.
It seems to me we will see the flow on and have had Quads as an exhibition class included before in our SM racing calendars,
and I think a Championship was offered in Motard Quad last year.
We will see a small growth there I think in the racing circles but these ones shown here are really steered at TT and local Melbourne owners where they can use them regularly.
For those of you have been to TT, and when its damp,
Get one of these off the trailer instead of the motard and dry a line :twisted: then get the motard out!

[WOOLO]

Quads are getting bigger in NSW as well.Flat track racing at Nepean,Sand drags at Stockton,Plans for an exhibition run at WSID and I think they ran a motard meeting at Oran Park recently.The apprentice at work just poured a shit tin of cash into a big cc 2 stroke engine for his Banshee and hammered the snot out of them at Stockton sand drags at easter.Sibbo would be dry humping this thing if he heard it !

[Muzzard]

SA also has a booming quad racing scene WOOLO.
I am trying to find a way to overcome the usual obstacle of usage of ATV/Quads/Trikes, by offering them setup as motards already with the wider track and live rear axle, but cap the capacity in power for a more rounded market and usable unit coupled to XR bulletproof engines, and then steer them towards track use at the point of sale.
Just need to develop a 400 and 650 version now mate ;)

[Aus_James]

Hey Muzz,

Those motards look great, mate! at 3-4k including dirt rims, and based on a bullet proof XR power plant, I'd be interested.

I'm thinking of selling the race RGV and wonder where I might put the money. A full sized motard bike that I could take off road would be mad! I'd love a DRZ250SM, but the prize is out of the question.

still very interested to see where this goes...

[Aus_James]

Oh, and if you can get ADR compliant, i.e. full reg possible, I'm in FOR SURE!

[Muzzard]

Certainly steering in that direction James.
Theres no real advantage to them not being so.
It comes down to whether or not the PRC based companies are registered with DOTARS and Design and Production Facilities basically.
If they are not registered no ADR compliance.

[Aus_James]

Yup, I understand that. It's only the ADR compliance that then dictates whether or not they can be full road registered, yes?

Otherwise, they could just be rec registered ok with no ADR?

[Muzzard]

Correct James ;)
Without ADR compliance no road registration full stop.
They meet all the requirements for Recreational Registration
in all States offering it though.

[Muzzard]

This one is the best available offroad bike outta PRC at the moment IMO.
Not ADR complianced unfortunately...
Yet ;)

http://vsmr.net/albums/non-motard/4_Valve_250_Prototype.sized.jpg

[Aus_James]

Pardon my ignorance, but who is PRC? Are they a chinese company that makes these bikes?

Looks pretty good though. I do really like the styling of the black ones you posted earlier though. They look like proper SM style / designed type bikes.

As for the engine, are they exact XR250 copies? Do they come with oil coolers etc? Any other details?

cheers muzz :)

[kroosn]

PRC is the peoples republic of china. so its just the country.




Rob

[johnny]

I get one email a week from some chinese motocycle Co asking us to sell there crap bikes, every company making the same shit with different stickers, sounds great a cheap bike wait til you need some SPARES!!
Twice a week we get someone in looking for a spark plug , sorry mate if you can find some one to translate the chinese wording on the one you have in the bike we may be able to help.
Chain +sprokets well fuck me, the amount of times i see some kid in tears because the originals have lasted 3 rides and there are no replacements ,i'm the prick that cannot help.
Theres a current crop of chinese things around sold about 3 years ago in Sydney that people can't give away because there are no parts available and they paid $3 grand for em.
In lots of cases its the struggler thats bought one (Justified to the mrs as cheap ) and turned them off bikes when its shit itself cause the mrs thinks ALL bike are a waist of money.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Give one to ADB for a day it won't get past the first hour, you guys want to motard them and abuse them
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Sell one registered in NSW it has to come with 6 mths warranty :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
I know a importer that can get a model passed for compliance no problem but as he say's I"M NOT THAT STUPID


If one of those Chinese Co's want to set up in Au and provide full factory backing no problems :)

[Muzzard]

I am familiar with the real China John.
There are about 12,830 motorcycle 'manufacturers' in China.
Mmm,
No, there are about 11500 Assembly houses, and Foreign Trade Offices full of sales representatives canvasssing for Export contract daily.
There are quality motorcycles being manufactured in China,
You just haven't been offered one yet.
Sure there are bits of shit in the marketplace and shiff shit to a clown who buys one not knowing about motorcycles anyway.
They wanted me to bail out people who invested in Pyramid Building Society too, they also made a poor decision.
These bikes pictured are manufactured by the very same company that manufactures the Yamaha TTR125 and now the TTR230 engines.
Highland also manufacture in PRC now a 950 VTwin and the 450 Fi Motard.
If you set specification you get exactly that.
If you order me a part and when it arrives its not exactly what I ordered,
I wont pay you.
Same applies when you reengineer/reverse engineer using the cheaper PRC based companies.
My wheel rims are 6065 tensile alloy and I can supply the exact metallurigal breakdown and testing figures for you if you wish.
Also make them in 5.50" and 16.5" but they are 7071T alloy.
My brake rotors are made by the same company that makes the rotors for all the Japanese Sportbike range currently as well as Braking on licence.
Hence my wave disc ;) ... Braking unbranded!
There is quality, You have to know where to look,
Theres is after all 1.3 billion people in China
The orange coloured XR lookalike is pretty well an XR250 since the copyrighting laws are able to be bent so easily.
Yes I agree with you its not an XR, but I can assure you the dickheads at ADB also ziptie radiator guards that are bolted from the factory to the radiator, in case they fall off :shock: and I can continue on with their nonsensicle shit with zipties, and racetape around stand springs in case they fall off :roll: , not to mention the farce that was their attempt at a SM magazine :?
ADB should be called RUFF Offroad IMO

Coincidentally for your interest,
The bikes titled Skyteam are in fact United Motors of America bikes, been available and selling well with good feedback and reliability in the USA for 2 years.
Spares and 6 month warranty on parts.

[johnny]

I haven't bothered to go back and read alll the topic but i'm betting that nowhere has anyone mentioned spares, like comsumables,engine parts , gaskets etc etc .Did you ask them what sort of supply they have or do they give you this answer "SPARES WE HAVE PLEANTY"Next time you are dealing with them ask them for a spares book in english.
ADB would have to carry the thing out of the bush because the frame is broken not shit falling off it.
Like i say if one of those Co's want to set up as a factory and give it a go fo r5- 10 years (thats how long it will take to get confidence in the product) go for it as for low volume importers looking for a quick buck "fuck off" do more damage to our industry than good.

[Aus_James]

My experience in the PRC made bikes is limited to the mini "pit bike" variety.

Yes, there is some shite out there. Lots of it actually which is a shame and you're right, could do more harm then good.

There is also some great stuff too. Take my daughters little 110 bike. Brand new from a dealer here in Melbourne with GREAT service etc. I paid $600 brand new. The same bike from Yamaha is $3,500. I know the yamaha is a great bike, good quality etc. But, I've actually been racing my daughters 110 in mini motard, thrashed it off road too. Still going very well. So that was an good choice and I'd make the same decision again.

I now also have a 125 bike. Same brand. They cost 750 brand new. If it was Japanese made it would be around 4-5 grand. Again, I know the Japanese model would be very good, but I've raced my 125 now a number of times and I'm very happy witht he quality.

My standards? I don't want the best of the best. I can't afford it. But I do want something that will last and do the job. So far, PRC based bikes have done very well.

This has happened, from what I can tell, over about 4-5years with Aussie designers helping or indeed leading PRC companies to better quality products. My 125 is the 3rd generation of it's kind, and it shows.

I see it going on for the next 5-10 years where PRC based bikes could become something similar to Hyosung. Hell, it happened to Jap bikes in the 60/70's. Now they lead.

I say good luck to them. Can anyone say "trade deficit?" :)

Now, can we have some more nice pics Muzz?

[Muzzard]

Thanks for the support James.
I should have thrown in the bit about Australian Design Engineers assisting with development of product base over the last 5 years.
I have been one of people sharing technical information,
and obtaining the best product outside of PRC and taking it in for replication on specification.
Pictures coming up mate ;)

[Muzzard]

I haven't bothered to go back and read alll the topic but I'm betting that nowhere has anyone mentioned spares, like comsumables,engine parts , gaskets. Did you ask them what sort of supply they have or do they give you this answer "SPARES WE HAVE PLENTY" Next time you are dealing with them ask them for a spares book in english.
ADB would have to carry the thing out of the bush because the frame is broken not shit falling off it.

And I'm betting that on my desk here right in front of me is a Spare Parts Master file, complete schematics, wiring diragrams, and a manual about 1/2 the thickness of a WRF one printed in 4 languages.
Thats what I order spares components from and like you say there are quick buck bike brokers with no care for spares.
Not me mate.

Spares and lack of access to them or plain just lies about the stock is not unique to PRC based products either John.
I have had recent experience with a reputable marque dealership in Wodonga.
I couldnt get some stuff I needed a while ago "Because the boat sank bringing the spares from overseas" and so
"he will have to have it airfreighted to him and it will be about a week." :shock:
Hes not doing you blokes at KTM any favours you know ...

[johnny]

James i know nothing about the pit bikes, so i'm not going to bag them.


All my winging is based on 12 years of face to face experience's with customers , importers and wingy kids ,mothers none of which have been a good experience in what is a fun industry to work in.

[Aus_James]

Tell us a bit about the engine side of things, Muzz. Are they actually complete copy of Honda XR250 engines? ie. do Honda spare parts fit them?

Or are they just air cooled single 250cc engines and that's where the similarity ends?

Intriqued.

[Aus_James]

Oh, and I can sympathise with your situation, Johnny. The guy I get my stuff through is always complaining he has ppl come to him witha blown up chongchenshitsuwhatever bike and he can't do anything because there are no parts.

Just a shame for the unfortunate ppl who bought something cheap.

[dangermouse1100]

That would be where you would say the old adage...."You get what you pay for"....
Seriously, i would love to go out and buy one of these mini bikes, i have 3 boys who would love it, but until i find a brand that will go the distance i'll keep my pennies in my pocket. Sure i would prefer to go the jap bike but it's big bikkies & i dont have it, so a lot of people who are struggling would be tempted by the price.

[Muzzard]

The engines in the orange bike pictured are replicated XR motors.
They have all the same components and are of good quality.
No plastic components inside like some others and some of the cheaper laydown motors too.
I am not immune to the faces of the teenagers here with PRC based bikes they bought through a dealer here that no longer carries stock,
John,
CMG would be the Group you previously made reference too right?
Same deal here :roll:
Like I previously said though if you are prepared to fuck around with the endless tirade of email from Foreign trade houses, which I have, for the cheaper labour market to accessories manufacture,
You will sooner or later meet a Chinese Motorcycle manufacturer that actually is concerned about development and improving the product and bringing it inline with western trend/specification to be competitive with longevity in the market, that addresses all the issues such as spare parts and extended warranty.
John you make mention of selling bikes in NSW and it must have a 6 month warranty,
Can you explain how Yamaha sell WRF250/450 in NSW with only 3 months, that doesn't seem right.
To import motorcycles from a manufacturer offshore requires the manufacturer to be registered with DOTARS like I previously said,
Is time, admin, and money consuming.
Takes months to over a year sometimes to get approval, and compliance issued.
They are not here yet and have not been offered to another Australian company/Importer as yet either.

[johnny]

Gee Muz your a hard man, KTM did lose a shipment and were airfreighting stuff, what other solution would you suggest, one week sounds OK to me.
I know the Japanese would try and do similar.
What would the Chinese do?

Pull one of those engines apart and replace all the components with Honda ones cause there the same :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

That i'd like to see

[devo]

My KTM came with 1 month warranty, parts only. Bloody Austrians, worse than the Chinese. :P

[Muzzard]

You have been left with the sour taste of poor Chinese products mate and all the backup statements and putting Honda parts into a Honda replicated engines wont change that.
I am happy doing what I'm doing and have no problem backing what I say, even if it is at my expense ;)
Really what it comes down to is I am not shit canning your product mate,
I would at least expect the same until you have been given the opportunity to test it yourself.
I think that is only fair, dont you.

[johnny]

Muzzard don't take it personally but it shits me to tears when i see

"the engines in the orange bike pictured are replicated XR motors.
They have all the same components"

That gives the buyer the impression that they can buy there parts from a Honda dealer which in turn makes the cheap chinese a bike VERY attractive alternative.
But can they? If you can prove me and all the non believers wrong good on ya, but don't say that sort of stuff til you can back it up.

Your on the forum telling people how good the stuff is i'm just pointing a few negatives and having my say, people will agree and disagree , if it appears i'm shit canning it well i'm actually doing it from REAL LIFE situations.
If anyone else has a bad experiance on this forum they certainly VENT there anger so i see no reason why i shouldn't.
Muzzard again don't take it personally but i have seen you COMPLETLY shit can a Company on this forum without knowing both sides to the story yourself so i think my comments here are well within in the bounderies of being OK.

[SM93]

i think johnny makes an excellent point.

Personally every time i have talked to muzz about business he is very serious and considers all these things and has the techinally background and experience to do things right. these are the issues you are up against muzz. Its good to see someone not just blowing smoke up ur arse. i have full confidence in u mate. everyone with ur stuff gives glowing reviews.

I am also aware of the skills the prc mobs have via first hand experience and know they are very cable of delivering good product. The amount of top qaulity gear that comes out of there is astounding and it will only get better. Anyone who is anyone build stuff there thanks to the governments forsight to have local production quota on all products in the region.

Can xr 250 parts actaully be used on ur bikes?

[Muzzard]

Which company might that be John?
If its in Wodonga theres just a tad more to that, that is not for public forum, and you can PM me for the full information if you choose.
Anything else I have shitcanned has been with the express commitment to backing what I say in person, to the person concerned,
So enlighten me and the other forum users to the other side please.
Other than that like you say its available to all to express their opinion and that is your choice.
I have had nothing but success from all my PRC replicating efforts and that includes motorcycles that are not yet imported.
My involvement in the motorcycle trade here currently stands at
replicating components that are too expensive at dealer level, like rims and rotors mentioned earlier, the rotors are good enough to help carry young Joe Harvey to a Junior Development ride with Stratton Motorsports at World level being fitted to his YZF on his wet wheelset and a heap of road and track miles on several other units here.
There are others here using a lot of my replicated products and I have a good reputation for producing quality component at the right price.
Thats because of reverse engineering and setting specification.
Simple as that.

[Muzzard]

I think johnny makes an excellent point.
Personally every time i have talked to muzz about business he is very serious and considers all these things and has the techinally background and experience to do things right. these are the issues you are up against muzz. Its good to see someone not just blowing smoke up ur arse. i have full confidence in u mate. everyone with ur stuff gives glowing reviews.
I am also aware of the skills the prc mobs have via first hand experience and know they are very cable of delivering good product. The amount of top qaulity gear that comes out of there is astounding and it will only get better. Anyone who is anyone build stuff there thanks to the governments forsight to have local production quota on all products in the region.
Can xr 250 parts actaully be used on ur bikes?
Thanks Jove. ;)
I understand where John is coming from too but until the unit is in Australia, before his very eyes and available to be tested why shitcan my efforts.
I understand a logical argument but I assisted in engineering this replication because of suspension changes that were made because of availability and cost.
I was already dealing with this company for other products and manufacturing process, which coincidentally became a shitload cheaper after the 'engineer share' arrangement.
Basically providing information to best suit the Australian riding conditions from what they gave me to work with suspension and drivetrain wise.
The engine I was given the diagrams for was a Honda 4 valve XR250 and the information was to be based on that.

[SM93]

no worries muzz

its the same as gettin stuff built here. u give someone a lazy plan and be careless u end up with shit.

The people i know of who dealt with prc specifically specify the grades of quality they wanted and would only except anything. they got exactly that

[SM93]

i don't think johnny is shit canning u muzz just the people he has dealt with.

most import opportunities such as these get swapped by scumbags out to make a quick buck. Anyone remember the boom of jap imports............now there are some true scumbags in that lot.

On another note how good are hyosong. there bikes are great and everytime i see one i get very stoked. They only offer entry level bikes which is a tough task. build a bad rep with all those learners u will never sell another bike. I think they are doing a great job.

[johnny]

I agree Hyosung are doing great and making good bikes , i wasn't until a larger importer bought out Hyosung au that they have taken off and got there act together, and thats my point.
Muzzard i have sent a PM it has to stay personal but you will agree i'm sure.

[johnny]

I also have to say that i have never made or lost money , sold one of these things, repaired one i have just seen the negatives of people owing them.

[Muzzard]

Hyosung seem to be good products and they are basically a replicated bike
Like this one that we dont get ...
Yet...

http://vsmr.net/albums/bitsnbobs/Hyosung_RX125_SM_2007.jpg

[Sibbo]

If they put a flat seat on it. I can see many a ball being squashed by the tank. :(

[Aus_James]

Well I watch and wait with baited breath. I have ridden some of the Hyosungs and they do go very well. 99% as good as say a Honda equivelent. Take the VTR250 and the Hyosung 250. Honda, 9k. Hyosung, 5k

I've owned the VTR and it's a great bike. I'd probably have one if they made it a VTR500. I test road a Hyosung 250 when my wife to be was looking to buy one. It seemed extremely good, road very well.

I do also believe you get what you pay for.

[Aus_James]

What's this one? saw it on the miniriders forum

http://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/goldren/product-detailnlmJIKQjVxPF/China-Dirt-Bike-GAS-250D-New-Model-.html

They say it's a CRF copy?

[Muzzard]

Thats what is supposed to represent as well James.
A CRF, only with an aircooled engine.
Bit like used to be done before the CRF's hit the scene for ThumperNats.
CR125 frame/XR 250 engine.

[shane]

What's this one? saw it on the miniriders forum

http://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/goldren/product-detailnlmJIKQjVxPF/China-Dirt-Bike-GAS-250D-New-Model-.html

They say it's a CRF copy?

that looks ok , they are getting a lot better with there build quality also , honda has its own factory in china making nock off's of there own bikes for the chinese market . i wounder if this is the company ???

[Flash]

What's this one? saw it on the miniriders forum

http://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/goldren/product-detailnlmJIKQjVxPF/China-Dirt-Bike-GAS-250D-New-Model-.html

They say it's a CRF copy?

That looks good!! It's about time they copied a decent bike!

[Muzzard]

They all make in China now on licence but this company is not a manufacturer.
Its a Trading House/Import Export Company.
Out of the 9906 parts to make a BMW X5, 4870 are made in China.
Almost the same ratio for Mercedes B Class and the Citroen C4.
I dont mind the look of this CRF replication all the same.
Showing a healthier maximum power output as opposed to the rest of the Honda replicated engines.
I wonder if Honda bits fit the engine like they are supposed to on the orange replication.
It appears to be only a 2 valve engine too.

[Aus_James]

Hey all,

What do you guys think of this one? I saw it for the first time today in the flesh. Looks pretty cool I have to say. TALL too! I'm on tip toes struggling to stand upright so it's definitely a full size bike.



http://cgi.ebay.com.au/2007-250cc-PITPRO-DIRT-BIKE-THUMPSTAR-PIT-TRAIL-MOTOR_W0QQitemZ130124730585QQihZ003QQcategoryZ3207 4QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


It has the Zongshen engine. Is this the same as the bike you've been looking into, Murray? I have heard good things about the engine in term of reliability. 15hp is ok, not great, but ok for a dirt bike ie rec reg fun bike.

What do you guys think of it?

[SM93]

looks pretty good

[Muzzard]

No its not the one but still better with the full cradle frame and removeable subframe.
Zongshen are good reliable engines like any other,
If you abuse it it will shit itself.
Its aircooled technology remember and dated at that.
I will have a chat to the manufacturer for you this coming week.
This would make a very quick and cheap, fun track motard for TT.
Slip in some cheap 17's relaced to those hubs, (which are in my catalogue) and a 30 mm Flatslide ;)

[SM93]

ur dogalogue finished muz?

[Muzzard]

ur dogalogue finished muz?
No Jove :roll:
I had a few issues when I was trying to back it up on the external drive and sort of scrambled the whole friggin' thing somehow.
When I went back to the folder it was scrambled there too so I have to pretty well start the whole thing again.
Got some done, but then other things have taken precedent ..

[SM93]

dam where's neill when u need him

[razbagz]

Muzzard sounds like you got a great idea getting these bikes in.. is there any sign of a big bore (400cc+) watercooled beast amunst them, at that price with pleantly of parts available.. gets me very interested!

Keep at it!

Raz

[Aus_James]

What's this bike like? Looks quite big and probalby heavy, but it's obviously ADR'ed!


http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ZONGSHEN-LZX200GY-2-MOTARD_W0QQitemZ110139573027QQihZ001QQcategoryZ326 25QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Muzzard]

Theres a host of them being ADR complianced now.
Even pitbikes.
The best so far that is here and ADR'd is the Arquin RT200.