Champions Ride day 21st March 2009 @ Broadford [Archive]

MarkeeMark

03-02-2009, 10:12 PM

So guys I've started this thread to keep the talk about the Broadford track for supermoto separate.

This one's for who's coming and any questions relating to it.

So it's clear we are booking as a group under the VSMR Banner thru Bedo aka Ian Dawe (he's a senior member of the site and related to Admin)see booking details below.

The idea behind this is we get as many Supermoto's as we can and get our own session without sports bike and then possibly use of the short track as well.

This is what was suggested to us by Broadford and Champions are entertaining the idea.

We need absolute solidarity with this otherwise it's pointless and the will not see us as serious enough.

If you wanna ride with other Supermoto's in a track day environment this is the best way to do it for Broadford.

Working together we'll get what we want, Supermoto track days and racing.

Ok it's still the long track at this stage. I spoke with Champs today.

The price is individual $140, Group booking per rider $115 thats the same saving of $25.. This is a $5 increase from last yr.

I have got them to hold 15 postitions(for 2 weeks).. For the 21st March,
they explained that week end is starting to sell fast.
I hope this gives everone time to get the cash together...

All you do is PM me your
Name,
Mobile No,
and Email addy,
Also the group in which you wish to ride (Slow,Medium,Fast)
I suggest medium so we stay as a group..

I will reply with a bank acc to deposit the cash and you leave a reference name so I can keep track of payments.....

I'm hoping we can fill the 15 positions as it will show we are serious to get the track shortened.

So who's in?

MarkeeMark

03-02-2009, 10:13 PM

Bedo you have a PM!

Wobbly

03-02-2009, 10:16 PM

I'm in :) The arrangement and pre-pay through Ian last time seemed to go really well, and importantly made it easy for champs to process rather than trying to coordinate a dozen different individual payments.

Muzzard

03-02-2009, 10:36 PM

In in too
You have PM Ian.

Looking forward to developing the Broadford layout with time and as you have indicated and the general consensus has been Mark,
Softly softly slow and steady.
Ian is a patient and good negotiator working good things with limited tools.
Props to him for the effort he makes given he has no bike and does this for the understanding of where the sport can be and is going.

HyperGez

03-02-2009, 11:43 PM

I'm in & pm sent to Ian.
Top marks for the effort too mate.

Muzzard

04-02-2009, 01:42 AM

I should have said he has no bike YET
Sooner or later one for Ian will appear :P

riffler

04-02-2009, 09:40 AM

I'll be in for this,
Who am i paying/pm
Bedo? or Ian? Mark?
am to excited to read through everything.

At last Broadford with other motards :D

albonator316

04-02-2009, 09:55 AM

pm Ian (BEDO) for broadford :)

BennyV

04-02-2009, 03:22 PM

Muzzard

04-02-2009, 03:30 PM

Most certainly Ben
Most welcome mate.
Currently (this morning) around 8 have preregistered and
booked with Ian :D

If we reach the 15 prebooked positions within the timeframe Ian has identified,
We will open another 5 spaces and this may see us in a position to ask for a trial run on a short track layout.
As I discussed with you the other day,
The marshall / flaggie from the bottom of the straight can come up to pit wall and the slip road entry,
Maybe for the last session and appraise the session with Champions officials before we leave the track on the day with a view to further offerings of the short course.

bigfella

04-02-2009, 05:42 PM

im in if i can find a tank in time

Flash

04-02-2009, 09:16 PM

I want to but I may not be in the country

Wobbly

04-02-2009, 09:16 PM

Girl

Wobbly

04-02-2009, 09:17 PM

albonator316

04-02-2009, 11:36 PM

i'm in and paid for :D

MarkeeMark

05-02-2009, 07:48 AM

i'm in and paid for :D

And you are gonna be on the CR500 this time aren't you????????? ;)

Muzzard

05-02-2009, 08:20 AM

If he doesn't then at least we can watch him from the pitwall get 'pipped at the line' by a lizard and 13 ants :lol:

albonator316

05-02-2009, 08:41 AM

might bring both bikes :P

BEDO

05-02-2009, 09:11 AM

Bedo,
Looks like I might be in on this as well, Can I book a couple of spots. A mate has just got a set of wheels for his KXF450 and would like to do a ride day too. If I PM u, can I book a couple of spots?

Ben, "No Problemo", I've reserved Two spots under "BennyV" just waiting for your PM, (to fill in the info)...

shitbmxrider

05-02-2009, 11:36 AM

PMéd :)

Do I need full leathers to do this?

huskyboy610

05-02-2009, 01:09 PM

PM sent

I'm in, pretty certain I can't get hassled by the cops there :P

Oh, i've got a spare spot on the trailer if anyone needs a lift...

albonator316

05-02-2009, 01:54 PM

PMéd :)

Do I need full leathers to do this?

Scrutineering Requirements:
Your bike will be checked for safety issues such as brakes, tyres and track-worthiness including:

Good tyres, no punctures, not past the wear indicators
Brakes are checked for wear, leaks and servicing
Suspension, chain tension, throttle return and levers checked
Track-worthiness – that nothing is leaking or falling off the bike
Leathers are mandatory for your safety. One or two piece leathers are required. You can hire Teknic leathers for $50 for the day, if required. Full length motorcycle boots, leather gloves and Australian Standard Approved helmets are required. All your gear will be checked to ensure it is safe for the track.

NO desert boots, sneakers, motocross gloves, open faced helmets, draggin jeans or Kevlar gear allowed.

Please remove all gear racks & sacks and panniers. Plus, turn your mirrors inwards/ or tape them up.

BennyV

05-02-2009, 02:29 PM

Ian,
I've PMed you, let me know if it worked or not.
I'm still learning how to drive this site.

shitbmxrider

05-02-2009, 03:02 PM

albonator316

05-02-2009, 03:52 PM

Hire Gear Kit
Hire a kit of safety gear for your next track day for only $50.00*!!
Hire the latest in Teknic safety gear including:

Teknic Chicane Leathers are available in sizes 40-54 (50-64EURO)

Teknic Gloves are available in sizes XS-XXL

SIDI boots are available in sizes 7-13 (US)

http://championsridedays.com.au/portal/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/
:D

shitbmxrider

05-02-2009, 04:22 PM

lee#25

05-02-2009, 04:26 PM

54US (63EU) is HUGE!!!!

shitbmxrider

05-02-2009, 04:29 PM

Well, its not going to make a difference, I don't have my full licence (only on my learners), so I can't join in the fun and games...

I may come along and watch tho...

albonator316

05-02-2009, 04:32 PM

here is a pretty good sizing chart for ya
http://www.motobrio.com/MotoBrio_SizingChart.cfm

albonator316

05-02-2009, 04:42 PM

Well, its not going to make a difference, I don't have my full licence (only on my learners), so I can't join in the fun and games...

I may come along and watch tho...

hmm i couldn't find any info on full licence requirements, might want to give them a call first.

shitbmxrider

05-02-2009, 04:46 PM

Yes you need full leathers, boots, gloves and the bike is checked over before the riders brief in the morning.
You also need a full licence no learners permits or a MA approved racing licence.

From the PM Bedo sent me...I shall call and confirm :)

SMC690

05-02-2009, 07:55 PM

I come too farken.

MarkeeMark

05-02-2009, 08:17 PM

I come too farken.

Awesome Capt Caveman! Unga Bunga! :lol:

MarkeeMark

05-02-2009, 10:37 PM

Ben100 and Nico are down as well.

tambi

06-02-2009, 09:47 AM

:lol:
YouTube - The Wog Boy - I vant my marny farkin!

BEDO

06-02-2009, 10:09 AM

I've spoken to Champs and we need to get this organised quicker due to another group booking on that day...Spots held for Ben100, Nico, Huskyboy610 and spare for BennyV. I need the rider info for...

Payments ASAP as I cannot cover that many...
With these held spots I now have 15 riders...
Also some Internet banking Takes up to 72 hrs to clear.
This will be a great day...

Flash

06-02-2009, 11:13 AM

You're doing a great job Ian!!
I can't confirm as much as I want to!

Muzzard

06-02-2009, 01:16 PM

Good as done Ian.
I'll PM you once its in mate
Keep up the good work ;)

Ozmoto

06-02-2009, 01:41 PM

You wanna be drawing a wage from VSMR Ian , all this secretarial work you are doing... :lol:

Sounds like you are doing a great job , well done. :D

SMC690

06-02-2009, 05:00 PM

You wanna be drawing a wage from VSMR Ian , all this secretarial work you are doing... :lol:

He just likes the bit where he gets to try on the little dresses & tying his hair back in piggy tails. ;)

BEDO

07-02-2009, 07:55 AM

You wanna be drawing a wage from VSMR Ian , all this secretarial work you are doing... :lol:

He just likes the bit where he gets to try on the little dresses & tying his hair back in piggy tails. ;)

Your just jealous cause my arse looks better than your's in that little Black Number...... :lol: :lol: :lol:

BEDO

07-02-2009, 08:04 AM

On a more serious note I have one open space due to the "Sibbo" booking through another group.

I'm happy to say that I have sealed our 15 positions with "good will" with Champs.

They have notified me I need to make a decision on extending that 15 to 20 ASAP, If any one else wants the group booking.
If I leave it too long then they can join our group but No discount.

Muzzard

07-02-2009, 09:38 AM

Which brings me to my most recent spleen vent doesn't it :?
Dont be too concerned about anyone trying to 'derail our Broadford train' because they dont like me.
A previous member here has decided to run in competition with us in every group booking for motards at Broadford in an attempt to start another group as he believes our way is too slow and wont work.

This whole exercise of solidarity is to show more than people here (read International endorsement possibility / Governing Bodies) that we are driven, motivated and professional as much as anything else.
There are huge things on the horizon that sort of correlate back to this,
One is an International Event there for SM and the other is the acceptance and regular setup / access to short course layout.
Womens SM International is building momentum and thats good for us as flow on,
Stand alone events and a host of other special things all new and beneficial to drawing support, ongoing sponsorship for riders locally / Nationally and a full calendar of racing at State and National level for certain in 2010.

So in summary,
We had some dissention within and inability to accept the direction we as a group are heading.
That person has chosen to sabotage our efforts with another booking for the same day.
I am disappointed that through spite this individual has decided to sabotage the Supermoto movement in Victoria and indeed Australia.
I am not the Sport, just an individual.
I would suggest that we soldier on irregardless and remain focussed on the prize.

So where we at Ian?
Got 14 booked now he has flown the coup is that correct?

MarkeeMark

07-02-2009, 10:13 AM

As it stands Muzz that's correct. One more spot for someone to pay by next wed at $115. Otherwise you'll pay $140.
The rest of you who have not paid Ian, get your payments happening and confirm your spot.

HyperGez

07-02-2009, 11:24 AM

Ian, Just deposited $ into your acc.
Ref- Gerry-Broady
Cheers mate.

Nerb

07-02-2009, 12:40 PM

Hang on... so S has booked with another group of motards? That can only be good right. The more tards the better, no matter where they come from.

PS Ive payed.

MarkeeMark

07-02-2009, 12:54 PM

Hang on... so S has booked with another group of motards? That can only be good right. The more tards the better, no matter where they come from.

PS Ive payed.

Highly unlikely, one would assume it would be just his road bike mates.

Muzzard

07-02-2009, 01:03 PM

Hang on... so S has booked with another group of motards? That can only be good right. The more tards the better, no matter where they come from.
PS Ive payed.
Basically Brett has 'taken his bat and ball' to start his own motard group with the belief that I am moving in the wrong direction and the short course option for Broadford is easy.

He has booked 6 positions with Champions as some other entity and now canvassing through FB for riders to fill that 6 positions.
You are free to go with either Group of course but its not helping our supposedly 'unified group' argument with Broadford and M.V or M.A and the International controlling bodies watching us with a view to another stand alone event as the big picture.

You draw your own conclusions Brendan and of course you are free to book with us as you have done,
Brett if you choose through his FB page, or as an individual through Champions.

devo

07-02-2009, 01:09 PM

Delusions of grandeur.

speaksgeek

07-02-2009, 01:28 PM

MarkeeMark

07-02-2009, 04:24 PM

Angus there should be a spare seat with me if you like.

Muzzard

07-02-2009, 05:11 PM

Back to the real issue though...

I've pencilled in the day on my calendar. Don't have anything but the pit bike to ride (or any way of getting that out there), but I intend to drive up with the camera, and hopefully get some good shots.
There has to be a motard pitbike at least with a bunch of motards in the pits surely ... :D
Bring it along for the interest sake Angus ;)

speaksgeek

07-02-2009, 08:05 PM

Cool then, well if someone has a little spare space on a ute or trailer I'll throw it on. Don't need a ride for me, I like driving my car, but it's not the most practical vehicle for getting the pitty around. Unfortunately I can only get a free van on sundays.

huskyboy610

08-02-2009, 12:58 AM

SM93

08-02-2009, 11:35 AM

good old sibbo, i wouldn;t worry to much facebook group in gernal have little impact

BEDO

10-02-2009, 09:47 AM

I still have one position open for this day....

I still have one position open for this day....

I still have one position open for this day....

timmy

10-02-2009, 07:48 PM

Ive sent PM :) I also have been talking to a few people and have 2 others keen on going and 1 possible other :D

Muzzard

10-02-2009, 08:37 PM

Good one Timmy your position would make up the numbers Ian was looking for to fill the current booking level.
He will PM you no doubt in the coming hours ;)

BEDO

11-02-2009, 11:28 AM

Timmy is the last on the list.. Anyone else can just book individual as the group discount has now closed....I'm still waiting for Ben100 and Nico's details if there not quick there may be two positions open again...

MarkeeMark

11-02-2009, 01:22 PM

Ian you have PM re Ben100 and Nico's details.

albonator316

11-02-2009, 03:34 PM

Cool then, well if someone has a little spare space on a ute or trailer I'll throw it on.

the pit bike should fit between the CR and kato on the trailer. let me know if ya want to do that.

speaksgeek

11-02-2009, 04:19 PM

Sounds good, got a couple of offers now, we'll figure it out a bit closer. It's doesn't take up bugger all space, unfortunately I don't feel like leaking petrol in my boot, otherwise I'd stick it on it's side in the hatch!

albonator316

11-02-2009, 04:26 PM

hmm give your car that new petrol smell :D

SM93

11-02-2009, 04:52 PM

why bring it anyway, not sure they will even let it in the pits or anything. not like u would be able to ride it once there, save urself the hassle.

Muzzard

11-02-2009, 05:26 PM

Geez Jove.
It would be a cool little bike to have there anyway ;)

speaksgeek

11-02-2009, 06:18 PM

Ahh jove, broady is pretty hands off for pits and surrounds. As long as you keep off the track, everyone's happy. And it's not like it's stealing a full bike spot on a trailer. If nothing else, saves me walking to the far sides of the track for photos.

Flash

11-02-2009, 06:22 PM

Jove still hasn't had his cuddle yet I think!

SM93

11-02-2009, 07:37 PM

they are pretty strict on that stuff up here, not even allowed to ride push bikes in the pits or around track in general

Flash

11-02-2009, 08:21 PM

It used to be the same with go karting too

BEDO

12-02-2009, 10:07 AM

UPDATE SO FAR
I have contacted Champs today The group booking of 15 has now been filled and if anyone wishes to join our group they Must book themselves through Champs.
I'am send off the riders list and will be paying as ASAP.
I'm not a name dropper, but any outstanding payments it would be much appreciated if they could come in ASAP. I understand if you have payed in the last few days it takes up to 72 hrs to appear in the Acc. Those who have payed Thankyou for your quick action.
I have listed all riders in the Intermediate Group. you can move up on the day but I have wanted to keep us together..
Regards BEDO
P.S. Also at this stage I cannot get the day off work so I prob will not attend this ride Day...

albonator316

12-02-2009, 10:10 AM

any progress on the short track?

BEDO

12-02-2009, 12:06 PM

any progress on the short track?

It's still in discussion, So it's a no at this stage..

Nerb

12-02-2009, 01:55 PM

how many bikes are allowed in a session? If its say 20, and 15 of us are tards, we only have to convince the other 5 that they want the short track. Then with a unanamous group, surely they'd let us take the shortcut. Im sure we can supply the witches hats.

BennyV

12-02-2009, 03:40 PM

Sorry its not as simple as that Nerb! I dont think Champions will change track config for one group, as well as the time it takes to do changes, witches hats, corner marshalls etc, would most likely come out of our track time.
The long track is fine, just gear the bike up a bit for the day!
But in saying that, a crack at the short track config would be fun to try!

Wobbly

12-02-2009, 05:43 PM

Maybe we can approach them to run a session or two right toward the end of the day as numbers filter down...

Flash

12-02-2009, 06:19 PM

That's a great idea Neil! Be worth the suggestion

BEDO

13-02-2009, 09:27 AM

The situation is this that there has to be approval from the insurers, then MA, then the Track owners and if that all happens then Champs has to reconfiger the track to suit. So there is alot more to it than just we want a crack at the short track. I believe the short track will come if we can get 25 riders to fill a group underneath our VSMR banner...
Its all nicely, nicely, slowly, slowly most times if ya push the issue people get pissed off and say NO outright...
As i've stated before we have to show numbers and comitment to the Champs days in one group(Sibbo's break away didnt help...)
I'll put it to Champs today the propersition of a last session short track and see where that goes...Thats if all parties I have mentioned have said yes to the short track....Remember this is the second time we have booked under one group as VSMR and we are still only fielding 15 riders...
A session usally fields aprox 25....

riffler

13-02-2009, 09:35 AM

If there is dirt involved in the short track, wouldnt they be concerned about it getting dragged onto the bitumen and scaring the roadbikes.

Or is this short track something different?

Muzzard

13-02-2009, 10:01 AM

No dirt on the short track option.
We would be turning right opposite the pits and onto the slip road, right again onto the end section of the back straight.

I honestly dont expect Bretts departure and splinter group (if there is one apart from just Brett) has had impact on us other than his booking.
We found the rider to fill that before his chair was cold.
He will front with his mates on sportbikes etc and should he arrive with motards,
Whats he going to tell them when they see they are the minority and why they aren't with us?
Enough of Brett anyway.

Move forward and find the required 25 riders so we can progress with dialogue between all concerned.
M.V will let us install a section in tarmac with rollers and one jump, about 350 metres total (referred to as the 'Pleven Section') adjacent to the track but after the usual lengthy process to planning.
This will not happen in 2009 more likely to begin construction 2010.

Short Term,
We will get the short track option in the future that is certain after speaking with M.V and the others concerned.
* BRING ON THE SOLID 25 RIDERS each time we group book *

BennyV

16-02-2009, 07:23 AM

Geez Whats that about the "Pleven Section" Muzz? If we can get that bugger the dirt! ha ha ha that would be awesome!
The world titles were held without dirt at Pleven so imagine having that at our back door!
Bring it on I say! do it, do it do it! =)

Muzzard

16-02-2009, 08:16 AM

Dirt is old skool now and a few have gone this route.
I think its the best advantage,
Not building a full track,
But will have a very SM specific setup there once its in.

As soon as I get a go ahead to actually survey & quote the whole construction we will be in a better position to step forward ... and quickly ;)

ZuluFoot

16-02-2009, 09:02 AM

Muzzard

16-02-2009, 12:37 PM

I need to get a 530 or something, my 450 just wont cut the long circuit, even if I gear it to the moon, the 4 spd box will die.

So I will be out of these unfortunately until I decide whether I should trade bikes or not.. :x

Theres a few been running the SXF450 at Winton on the long track over the last 18 months or so.
I would have thought a 38T / 40T rear would have sorted it out and drive it with the biggest countershaft it will take :?
It will be dirt only for you then mate when TT closes in the coming months unless there is a solution to gearing or another bike.
After that,
Bigger tracks will be the norm ....

Flash

16-02-2009, 01:17 PM

put a 5spd in it!!

SM93

16-02-2009, 02:00 PM

x 2, its such a limiting factor that 4 speed. for the average bloke anyway

Martin

16-02-2009, 05:37 PM

I need to get a 530 or something, my 450 just wont cut the long circuit, even if I gear it to the moon, the 4 spd box will die.

So I will be out of these unfortunately until I decide whether I should trade bikes or not.. :x
gearing not that hard
Bert's Indian pulled 200mph, just a little sluggish off the start.
That's your worst case scenario.
No really slow corners there, 80cc bikes manage to do it ok without frying clutches.
no reason at all to hurt the box, gears travelling same speed they were, just back wheel going faster

Flash

16-02-2009, 07:45 PM

I have to say on an MX track I love the 4spd!

ZuluFoot

17-02-2009, 09:21 AM

Is TT really going to close soon Muzz? there has been a lot of development there recently, but I would imagine it is all or mostly on the back burner now with the GFC?

Martin, you put it in a different perspective, maybe I should try it and see, I'll ponder on it, will have to book seperately anyway, so watch this space.

SM93

17-02-2009, 09:28 AM

run it in a gearing calculator and see Muzz v 2

Muzzard

17-02-2009, 09:33 AM

Is TT really going to close soon Muzz?
Most definitely so.
Daryl has already expressed he will NOT be renewing the lease.
It expires very soon.
Banyule Council own the site and its earmarked for sale when the current lease expires.
I dont think anyone will pickup the lease given its a hard thing to make money from and the price of the lease.

Under the new Club structure no more flying under the radar as far as the regulating bodies are concerned.
Track days will require Club membership of some form and also a licence issued by M.V / M.A.
Without taking this step we have no grounded base to apply for racing / host rounds / run track days or any of the like activities.

Once TT closes there will be no track because I am not going that route again with private karting operators.
Of course anyone is free to try and organise something but can guarantee you it wont be easy access and wont be as cheap as TT.
Once its gone everyone will be saying
'I shoulda gone more often' ...

Broadford is the target with an additional tar section added in 2010.

BennyV

17-02-2009, 11:45 AM

Even with the 4spd a 38 or 39T rear and the largest front that can be accomodated ie:15 or 16 (as stated by muzz it'll get around the long track no worries.
Muzz I have news about the other tracks and will try contact you today or tomorrow about that.
Becomming affiliated with M.A/M.V does have its pain in the arse aspects to it (needing as permit, licenced riders, etc) but it also opens the doors to being able to use other tracks as all riders and curcuit owners have the insurance aspect covered.

Bring on the moving forward I say!

Flash

17-02-2009, 12:18 PM

Great work Benny

Muzz I can't help but feel you and dave constantly having a go at some of us who have commitments we have to meet! I have not only missed out on track days at TT but also MX It's great you guys travel so far to ride I wish I had previously had the time as well as the resources! At the end of the week if there isn't enough there isn't enough!
I have plans in place that will restrict what I do for another 12 months or so but after that I'm hoping it will all change.
I don't think it's fair that people who have commitments keep getting a bashing! To be honest I'm over it! I have said on many times I'll be there to help but most of my Saturdays are taken with work so would have to be a Sunday or late arvo on a saturday.
Remember I have been around since the Yahoo group as well and have also spoked to kart clubs and also traveled to a few race in the country to support as well.

BennyV

17-02-2009, 12:28 PM

Well Flash, hopefully we can get some events happening on Sundays this year!
Sundays work well with most people.
Working on it!

Flash

17-02-2009, 02:06 PM

Yeah mate SUndays are the go for me!

SM93

17-02-2009, 02:08 PM

u guys having ur own club will def help guys like Ash for sure. Great to hear u guys getting it sorted. in a way TT closing is a blessing in disguise

Muzzard

17-02-2009, 02:12 PM

Muzz I can't help but feel you and Dave constantly having a go at some of us who have commitments we have to meet!
I don't think it's fair that people who have commitments keep getting a bashing! To be honest I'm over it!
Where did we mention you here Ash?
You haven't got the time nor have I the funding so I dont go all the time to track days either
You are not the only one who works weekends, has a mortgage and commitments financially,
What about the blokes who have access to children like Bomber,
When was the last time you saw him at the track?
No-ones pointing the finger at anyone here that I can see ...

Simple fact that remains TT is closing,
And people will say 'I wished I hadda gone more often'

Its about Broadford now anyway,
Are you coming?

Flash

17-02-2009, 03:22 PM

2 things are holding my back 1 whether I'm in the country and getting some crash protection for the 950 I don't have any yet

ZuluFoot

17-02-2009, 07:31 PM

Well we have been blessed with TT here, if it closes at least I know I got my moneys worth, could always have got more though...

I'll start exploring the sprocket avenue if it means I can get on other tracks anyway, so appreciate the feedback.

Jove, what be this gearing calculator of which you murmur?

Wobbly

17-02-2009, 07:57 PM

http://www.vsmr.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=5570

ZuluFoot

17-02-2009, 08:54 PM

Phoar, Fully Sick Admin!

So my li'l kato will hit 151KPH with a 14/39, how fast do you guys get down the straights there?

Motorcycle Gearing Worksheet: KTM 450SXF Speed Units: Kph
Values (Enter) Total Ratio Minimum Speed Maximum Speed Speed at Max Power Change Up Speed Cruise Speed Speed Range RPM Drop at Change Up % RPM Drop at Change Up
Primary Drive Ratio 2.552 (KPH) (KPH) (KPH) (KPH) (KPH) (KPH) (RPM) (% RPM)
1st Gear Ratio 1.882 13.380 34 90 82 69 N/A 56 0 0.0
2nd Gear Ratio 1.579 11.224 41 108 98 82 62 67 1289 16.1
3rd Gear Ratio 1.333 9.478 49 128 116 97 73 79 1244 15.6
4th Gear Ratio 1.130 8.036 57 151 136 N/A 86 93 1217 15.2

Front Sprocket (Teeth) 14 2.786
Rear Sprocket (Teeth) 39
Wheel Rim Size (Inches) 17 1922
Tyre Width (MM) 150 Re-calc using measured wheel circumference
Tyre Depth (%) 60 Gear (KPH) (KPH) (KPH) (KPH) (KPH) (KPH) (RPM) (% RPM)
Measured Wheel Circ. 1845 1st Gear 33 87 79 66 N/A 54 0 0.0
Engine Minimum RPM 4,000 2nd Gear 39 104 94 79 59 64 1289 16.1
Engine Maximum RPM 10,500 3rd Gear 47 123 111 93 70 76 1244 15.6
Cruise RPM 6,000 4th Gear 55 145 131 N/A 83 90 1217 15.2
Change Up RPM 8,000
Maximum Power RPM 9,500

MarkeeMark

17-02-2009, 09:19 PM

Your bike only rev's to 9grand?

I'd suggest you try and get a 15 or 16 tooth front Murray.
I'm getting 175kph in 5th at about 11500rpm! Using 16/48

Nerb

17-02-2009, 10:53 PM

muzz's table says max rpm 10500.... 9500 is max hp

Put my 610 in with 16/45 and it says 194kph. If only i could get more than 8500rpm

Oh, and i think at broadford i was getting to about 170 on the straight (fyi Murry)

Wobbly

18-02-2009, 12:16 AM

Try a larger front sprocket ... you may need to modify your case saver or even cut a bit of the chain slider out to get it to fit though.

Wobbly

18-02-2009, 12:17 AM

The other option is a smaller rear sprocket. I had a custom one cut for my RS ages ago, I think from the chain gang - just sent them one of the original sprockets and said how many teeth I wanted (in that case a 34 tooth :!: ).

tambi

18-02-2009, 11:12 AM

2 things are holding my back 1 whether I'm in the country and getting some crash protection for the 950 I don't have any yet

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/KTM-990-Supermoto-Supermoto-T-Engine-Cover-Set_W0QQitemZ350166900168QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Mot orcycle_Parts_Accessories?hash=item350166900168&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

Flash

18-02-2009, 11:22 AM

dangermouse1100

18-02-2009, 09:56 PM

u guys having ur own club will def help guys like Ash for sure. Great to hear u guys getting it sorted. in a way TT closing is a blessing in disguise
Says you :? no f%&$ blessing at all, no more tyre screeching for me.....

dangermouse1100

18-02-2009, 10:00 PM

roadrunner1262

19-02-2009, 12:53 PM

I am booked, hopefully have 2 Supermoto bikes there, one wet bike one dry bike!

Lets look professional at least! ;-) ha ha ha

I guess i f i take both bikes it we help make our presence felt! ;-)

BEDO

19-02-2009, 03:47 PM

Hi Ian,
Your payment has been received for the VSMR group booking for the 21st March at Broadford Raceway. I will email each of the riders the information required for the day. We hope they have a wonderful time and we look forward to working with you again in the future.

Kindest Regards
Monique

This is what i received today so it's all a go for you guys.

HyperGez

19-02-2009, 04:16 PM

Stuff up, see next post :oops:

HyperGez

19-02-2009, 04:21 PM

BEDO,
Again mate, thanks for your continued work to get us booked into these days.
It is greatly appreciated by all. :up:

BEDO

19-02-2009, 04:38 PM

BEDO,
Again mate, thanks for your continued work to get us booked into these days.
It is greatly appreciated by all. :up:

Thanks Gerry It's good for us and them...
Also the reply I sent, I said next booking we would ask for 20 spots...

Wobbly

19-02-2009, 05:50 PM

Excellent Ian - many thanks for the hard work mate :)

albonator316

19-02-2009, 08:41 PM

x2 :D

SMC690

19-02-2009, 10:35 PM

Thanks Ian! :)

Are you and Jedd heading over for the day?

Flash

19-02-2009, 10:41 PM

Top work Ian! I'm no in this time but I may pay my fee's and come along if the stars align right!

riffler

19-02-2009, 10:48 PM

I got my email today.

Thank you BEDO.

Muzzard

20-02-2009, 03:03 PM

x 2
Thanks Bro.
Talk to you early next week..
Cheers

BEDO

21-02-2009, 03:47 PM

Thanks Ian! :)

Are you and Jedd heading over for the day?

For Jedd and I to get there at this stage I'd have to take a days leave outta my book. I really don't think I can make it..

liebeknecht

23-02-2009, 04:50 PM

there will be a couple of us S.A. boys hopefully coming over do you need catch can / sliders etc for this track

cheers
Andrew

MarkeeMark

23-02-2009, 05:19 PM

there will be a couple of us S.A. boys hopefully coming over do you need catch can / sliders etc for this track

cheers
Andrew

Great news Andrew, and no you don't need catch cans or sliders.
They just ask that you remove your mirrors or tape up the glass.

Wobbly

23-02-2009, 06:55 PM

Awesome, be good to see you guys again andrew :)

Martin

23-02-2009, 09:55 PM

I won't make this one but will try for May. In the meantime I've got a few good used (and one new) front slicks left and a couple of wets, will post em in for sale tomorrow.
Well done Ian for making this happen.

Muzzard

05-03-2009, 06:22 PM

** BUMP **

2 weeks away folks! :P
Everyone sorted?

Wobbly

05-03-2009, 08:28 PM

Bike, check.

Petrol in it, check.

:lol2:

MarkeeMark

05-03-2009, 08:30 PM

Yup I'm ready, oh hang on thats for this weekend!

Nerb

05-03-2009, 09:59 PM

My mate Mark is joining us on his 600 hornet. Tells me he's going to teach us about corner speed! I would laugh, but i saw a TRX there last time i was there.

albonator316

05-03-2009, 10:35 PM

:snigger:

dangermouse1100

08-03-2009, 12:38 AM

Dave would very much appreciate if someone could bring a bit of extra fuel, i will fill up on the way in but not sure how far through the day one tank will last me.

Muzzard

08-03-2009, 08:31 AM

You will be right mate.
I will have some for you, no doubt others would have too.

riffler

08-03-2009, 07:56 PM

i always carry extra, be happy to give you some if you run short.
Also is there any plan to park our bikes in a particular place or do we just meet on the track.
Would be cool to have so many motards all lined up in one shed.

Flash

08-03-2009, 08:07 PM

Does anyone have any idea how late I can enter?It's going to be touch and go if I can to it in time that's all

Muzzard

08-03-2009, 08:55 PM

Ian had one booking at the concession price in another thread.
As soon as that is gone its whether or not Chapions have the booking space left.

As for 'pitting' at Broadford Riff,
We will try to get into a line so all the motards are together.
I will be there as the gates open so I can get sorted and setup
Just be there as early as you can would be the best bet ;)

albonator316

08-03-2009, 10:36 PM

grab the pits facing the straight muzz :)

HyperGez

15-03-2009, 12:31 PM

BUMP! :D
Less than a week away people!
I've lost count on the trackdays I've done but I still get that buzz leading up to one, it's twofold when racing. Was trying to explain this to a few mates yesterday, you have to try it to know what it's like.
Look'n forward to catch'n up with everyone.
Hope the weather's kind to us too.

Muzzard

15-03-2009, 01:01 PM

Looking forward to it too Gerry.
Bummer about not being able to catch up with Ian on the day though ...
He organised it all and has to friggin' work :(

Haven't looked the forecast yet :?

SMC690

15-03-2009, 04:43 PM

Bring on Saturday, I can't wait! :)

Are you bringing both bikes Gerry?

riffler

15-03-2009, 04:48 PM

Saw a guy on a hypermotard last champions day i went on, and he was having a ball, fookin fast!! Looked badass too.

Really looking forward to this day.
Picking up me bike from brad black tomorrow after some fettlin. :D

SMC690

15-03-2009, 04:52 PM

Hey riffler,

Sorry, I've been busy with a heap of unfortunate & unforseen stuff recently & forgot about the filter cover for Muzz's LC4.

Would you mind bringing it this weekend?

Cheers,
Juz.

riffler

15-03-2009, 04:55 PM

No problem Juz, will do :)

sam

knobcheese01

15-03-2009, 06:12 PM

After the 14th of Feb track day was cancelled because of the fires I've been added to the 21st so I'll see you boys there. What group are you all going in?

HyperGez

15-03-2009, 06:32 PM

Juz, there's this little person sitting on my left shoulder telling me to leave the duke at home for now. It's due for it's first service and needs tuning as it's running a little lean from the pipe and air box mods.
The husky is what i'll be racing this year, I need to get more time in the saddle so I won't have to be the mobile chicane this season. :lol:

Muzzard

15-03-2009, 07:45 PM

What group are you all going in?
Medium as far as I know Knob
CYA there mate ;)

BEDO

16-03-2009, 09:34 AM

Yes all are listed in MediumGroup. But you can move up if you like on the day...

MarkeeMark

16-03-2009, 10:44 AM

Bedo I know you've got a list of 15 riders but I also know of another 6 coming that payed full price.
So we've got a minimum of 21 hopefully, the medium group aint gonna be much fun if you're on a sportsbike LOL
Bedo could you contact Pat at Broadford and find out if we can reserve the top garages, facing the track for the motards only?

liebeknecht

16-03-2009, 05:23 PM

do they have tyre changing facilitys at the track
because the weather is looking a bit average

i guess you Melbournians are used to it though :)

cheers
Andrew

SMC690

16-03-2009, 07:23 PM

the medium group aint gonna be much fun if you're on a sportsbike LOL

Muahahahaha, let's own them all. :)

do they have tyre changing facilitys at the track
because the weather is looking a bit average

Yes they do although you might have to change it yourself as the tyre changing guy doesn't like tubes. I think he needs a can of HTFU. :)

BennyV

17-03-2009, 03:19 PM

I'll try bring a bead breaker if tyres need to be changed! Motard tyres only take a minute each!
If anyone has a bead breaker bring it, cos it was a "I'll try to bring one" (I don't know if its finished yet!)
A second set of wheels is always nice! =)
Lots of Tards on Saturday! Nice!
If someone a lil closer than I and can get there early, try and tape off about 10 of the top sheds for us all to fit in! That would be ace!

SMC690

17-03-2009, 07:21 PM

They have a tyre machine in the back of a truck so bead breaking isn't usually an issue. Won't hurt to have a backup if their compressor has an epic fail like it did last time I was there.

SMC690

19-03-2009, 12:28 AM

Check this shizzle, no track day drizzle....

Forecast for Saturday

Sunny day.
Winds north to northeasterly averaging up to 40 km/h tending northwesterly up to 45 km/h around midday.

City - Windy. Min 19 Max 33

Bring it on... :D

Wobbly

19-03-2009, 08:16 AM

Word

MarkeeMark

19-03-2009, 02:56 PM

Ok word from Bedo today that we've got the 1st 10 garages opposite the pit straight up top for us. It starts from the first aid room down.
So who ever arrives 1st head straight up top and everyone else follow suit.
We should easily fit 2 bikes per stall and one extra on the end.
For those that havn't been before, there is power supplied free of charge for warmers, radio's kettle's or whatever floats your boat.
Remember sunscreen for ya neck and face and bring plenty of fluids and food.

Champions Ride Days web link for how the day is run and what times things happen.
http://championsridedays.com.au/portal/content/view/33/117/
Scrutineering requirements.
http://championsridedays.com.au/portal/content/view/32/116/

I'm also bringing along 3 spare(slightly used) front slicks to be used/tried or bought at a very low price.
2 ladder cut (one is a Dunlop) and one full slick(Bridgestone Racing Battlaxe). If you're intersted in trying one for the day ask, and we could fit it on site between sessions or on the lunch break.

Cheers MM

PS. Really looking forward to this :D:D:D:D:D:D

ben100

19-03-2009, 03:31 PM

what time do the gates open

BennyV

19-03-2009, 03:35 PM

Good shit about the sheds!
Gates open at 7:30am as per Champions instructions.
But I bet they are open earlier.

SMC690

19-03-2009, 07:18 PM

Who's bringing Muzz's birthday cake on saTARDay? :happybirthday:

ben100

19-03-2009, 07:33 PM

7:30 geeze glad its only a 45 min drive

SMC690

19-03-2009, 07:46 PM

Harden up, lol. Some of us have to get up half an hour before we went to bed just to get there on time. ;)

Wobbly

19-03-2009, 07:49 PM

I'll be there at 7.30 ... or somewhere between then and 9am :lol2:

Muzzard

19-03-2009, 08:06 PM

Tania and I will be there sometime between 7am and 7.30am
CYA there ...

ben100

19-03-2009, 10:42 PM

if its anything like last saturday morning i was still getting home at 7:30 haha gotta love a night out

albonator316

19-03-2009, 10:43 PM

anything to slow you down ben i'm happy with :snigger:

BEDO

20-03-2009, 01:44 PM

As Mark said,
I have reserved the first 10 Bays in the top sheds (Annex A), I think their called. I did this through a call to the track manager Pat at Broadford. They are booked under the VSMR banner, So I would hope that we leave the sheds as we found them "Clean and Tidy" and if all goes well. I'm sure I can do this again when needed.
I'm sorry,
I cannot be there tomorrow as I have to work, and work again on Sunday.

I hope all have a great day, I'm sure ya will. Give it to the sporties!!!!!!! BWhahahahahaha!!!!!!

albonator316

20-03-2009, 02:14 PM

good work Ian! :up:

SMC690

20-03-2009, 06:24 PM

Ian, you are a bloody Champion!

Wobbly

20-03-2009, 06:30 PM

Awesome Ian, thanks for all your efforts mate, you're doing brilliant work :)

HyperGez

20-03-2009, 08:28 PM

Nightshift atm, 6pm till 6am. Leav'n work straight for the track tomorrow. :coffee: :coffee: :coffee: :coffee: :coffee: :coffee: :coffee: :coffee: :coffee: :coffee: :coffee:
At least I have an excuse when everyone passes me! :D

Ian, damn shame you can't be there tomorrow mate. As always, you have excelled! :up:

Flash

20-03-2009, 08:32 PM

Great work Ian!

Muzzard

20-03-2009, 08:34 PM

I got the doin's for 24 hotdogs and cheese as well as 24 popper type fruit juices so everyone gets to have something for lunch for a change ;)
Coffee and sugar,
Bring your own cup if you drink the stuff ...

SMC690

20-03-2009, 08:53 PM

Has anyone got a spare rear paddock stand I can borrow for the day tomorrow? I have pick-ups on my swing-arm, well for the moment anyway. ;)

BEDO

20-03-2009, 09:04 PM

I have a fully booked day otherwise, I'd be thinken bout early knock off to catch the last few sessions...

I also have NOT heard about a "short track session" from Champs, so I'm sorry but at this stage, That issue is still a work in progress.
But at least they will see ya there in a large group..
That will give me more Ammo to push for it...
Thanks to all that have joined in for this day. For without you guys the movment forward will stall.....

Watch out for Muzz's hot dogs they could actually be made of Dog.... :shock:
I heard they bite back.... :lol: :lol: :lol:

MarkeeMark

20-03-2009, 09:06 PM

Hey Bedo we'll be on track til 5pm. Get off early and come down! Text me if you are.

Flash

21-03-2009, 08:54 AM

Till 5 Mmmm I might try and burn up there straight after work!

dangermouse1100

21-03-2009, 03:47 PM

Thanks Ian for your behind the scenes work :up:
Unfortunately i have lost my nerve, was a bit on edge out there with the sporties blasting past and the session after lunch totally freaked me with a couple of very close calls, so i just bailed. Sorry guys, i hope you had a better time of it than i did. I was tempted to go with the slower group but that has its own problems too.

knobcheese01

21-03-2009, 05:22 PM

What a fucking great way to spend a Saturday. :D :D :D :D

It was excellent meeting you boys and seeing how crazy fast some of you are!

Thanks for the help provided by Brett and some of the Adelaide boys too.

Keep up the good work and I can't wait to see the videos and pics

Muzzard

21-03-2009, 05:53 PM

A good day out in general although I can see where Dave is coming from.
I had a few clowns far too close and what appeared to me to be trying to teach me a lesson for continually out braking them.
One bloke took it apon himself to try block me through a couple of sessions but being a motard you can pass them on the outside in the dirt going down the hill from outta the esses :lol:
I had a decent rip around so are happy except for the gouges outta my new rim on the rear from the chain having a little bite at it.
I'll shift it across and powdercoat it no problem ;)

Shame we didn't choose to all stay together today as was the original concept though :?
It loses impact when numbers are spread.
We are trying to get them to offer us a short track option and I expect a retort along the lines of
'But there are ones in different groups...'
'We cant offer short course when you are all riding different groups and pace for safety reasons'
Safety to day was bullshit from my perspective ...
Walking pace in the pits for instance?

But anyway,
I rode my bike so I'm happy again for a while
Good to meet a few new faces from the forum finally
and catch up with regulars.
Cheers

http://vsmr.net/albums/tasty/Broadford_21_March_09_020_Medium.sized.jpg

Flash

21-03-2009, 09:58 PM

I got up there a little late this arvo but it was good to catch up with a few of the left overs! Good to see a few of the Tards with pretty reasonable top speeds!
ope to be at the next one!

albonator316

21-03-2009, 10:33 PM

It was a great day, weather was hot, but meant the tyres were nice and sticky :)
Plenty of sports bike were thrown to the sharks :) when the video fotage comes out you'll see
here are some pics to wet the appetite before the better photos and vids come out lol
http://s233.photobucket.com/albums/ee172/albonator316/broadford210309/

Wobbly

22-03-2009, 12:02 AM

Good day for a wobble around the track today, had mucho fun, though I'm well and truely knackered now :)

Album is up ... have copied over most of nick's too so we have a central location for pics for the day. Have some wobbly-vision video as well which I'll cut together soon.

http://www.vsmr.net/modules.php?set_albumName=Broadford-210309&op=modload&name=Gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php

Generally happy with the day, though spent a fair bit of it by myself. Dropped lap times into the 12's by the end of the day which I was pretty happy with, but 6-8 secs shy of the fast boys :)

Oh, and 10 vsmr points goes to whoever comes up with the best photochop retouch of Angus asleep in the pits :lol2:

http://vsmr.net/albums/Broadford-210309/P1000308.sized.jpg

Wobbly

22-03-2009, 12:04 AM

And I'm not even going to try and explain this....

http://vsmr.net/albums/Broadford-210309/P1000321.sized.jpg

Wobbly

22-03-2009, 12:09 AM

Another 10 vsmr points for guessing the flabby arse!

http://vsmr.net/albums/Broadford-210309/P1000327.sized.jpg

albonator316

22-03-2009, 12:26 AM

i'd know that arse anywhere :lol:

albonator316

22-03-2009, 12:27 AM

thanks for uploading the pics wobbly one, it just wasn't happening for me

BEDO

22-03-2009, 08:26 AM

I'm glad my shed reservation worked...
Sounds like overall everyone had a good day.
I was worried about putting everyone together but it sounds like Champs sorted it out. As everyones skill level is different.
I'll have to chat to a few to find out the ins and outs so I can better organise the next booking..
The photo's look great.
I wish I coulda been there. Just to meet everyone...

Wobbly

22-03-2009, 08:46 AM

It went off without a hitch mate, well done. Can't wait for the next one :D

albonator316

22-03-2009, 08:59 AM

i can wait a bit, i'm sore lol

Muzzard

22-03-2009, 09:32 AM

To the tune of 'Flipper'

They call him Grumpa, Grumpa,
Grumpy ol bas - tard :lol:

http://vsmr.net/albums/Broadford-210309/P1000319.sized.jpg

Muzzard

22-03-2009, 09:48 AM

i'd know that arse anywhere :lol:
You live with the owner of this arse.
No wonder it looks like it had a good thrashing :shock:

albonator316

22-03-2009, 10:08 AM

:lol2:

albonator316

22-03-2009, 10:15 AM

Here is my helmet cam footage of the ride day. youtube blocked the audio on the 4th and 5th so play your own music to them ;)
vholdr cam mounted to top of helmet, so looks like i'm going slower than really am. Next time i'm going to mount it on the bike somewhere so try and make it a bit more smoother.

YouTube - broadford pt1
YouTube - broadford pt2
YouTube - broadford pt3
YouTube - broadford pt4
YouTube - broadford pt5
YouTube - broadford pt6

Wobbly

22-03-2009, 10:50 AM

You were going pretty quick there nick - down into the 9's on the last vid by my reckoning :)

albonator316

22-03-2009, 10:56 AM

i count 1:08 something :P
your counter must be wrong :lol2:
not bad for a bike turning 16 this year ;)

MarkeeMark

22-03-2009, 11:36 AM

Good shit Nick. Yellow group next time mate. Looks like you had the same problem I had with Mr SV1000 I can go fast in a straight line!!!!!! getting in the way all the time.

albonator316

22-03-2009, 11:55 AM

don't know mark, i had fun battling with the guys on their tupperware bikes who didn't know how to use them lol the guys in the fast group could lol
I just can't believe how close you guys were to them at the end of the front striaght everytime :up:

SMC690

22-03-2009, 12:09 PM

lol, that flabby old arse was moving along ok in the last session, my best one for the day. :)

I've got some vids here, I just need to find something to chop my sessions in half.

Edit: Split button works now, must have been my rehydration efforts last hampering my brilliance. ;)

Muzzard

22-03-2009, 12:24 PM

Good shit Nick. Yellow group next time mate. Looks like you had the same problem I had with Mr SV1000 I can go fast in a straight line!!!!!! getting in the way all the time.
Like I said by going into different groups made the whole thing a mute effort.
I wont be bothering again so remove me from the May 30 booking.
As for the short track option I wont be pushing that barrow any longer either.
Unless you are a unified bunch your wasting your time there,
Made plainly obvious yesterday.
There is no requirement to shift groups its an 'ask' and to have motards on the track with SBK practicing yesterday too was just rediculous IMO.
That is a safety issue in itself ...

Flash

22-03-2009, 12:53 PM

Top speed differential is where the danger is not lap times! They could put us all in one group and it would be a heap safer than mixing it with sports bike.
Muzzm I think you need to put that sort of stuff forward before the track day mate so everyone understands the reason! I think it'd still be good if you can go to the next one! I'm looking to be there as well. I'm sure Dave would have been better if he was in a class of motard rather than a mixture!

Great effort to all those who turned up and rode good to see the numbers rising!

Muzzard

22-03-2009, 02:21 PM

Reread the posts Ash.
It is plainly obvious what the objective was.
With us in all different groups, we may as well have been individual riders there riding a track day.
So if Champions want to move us around I wont support their business with Group bookings under this banner ...

Wobbly

22-03-2009, 03:21 PM

I think its just a matter of planning and persuasion. The groups looked thoroughly booked out yesterday, perhaps as suggested because of the summer interruption to the ride day schedule. Champs wanted to move people around different groups because that's what they always do to try and spread numbers evenly between the sessions, but in this case we probably could have taken some firmer steps to keep the group together.

If we want to run the shortened track then the only option is to get a single group to work in the first instance, as its the existence of that group that will underline the petition to get dedicated short track sessions. But, the only way we'll get there is through trial and perseverance, and learning as we go. We aren't overly burdened with options as far as ride days go so we'll need to work on it.

I'm still up for may for sure :)

shane

22-03-2009, 05:00 PM

Good shit Nick. Yellow group next time mate. Looks like you had the same problem I had with Mr SV1000 I can go fast in a straight line!!!!!! getting in the way all the time.

Mark watch the last vid from above and then re watch yours have a look at lines , your a meter wide of every apex and not using anywhere near the full track on exit .
the quickest lap i seen was a 109.1 was timing the video :-}}} what times where you running ?? as if you lines where more like the ones above you would drop a load of time .
You are also still early and not aggressive enough on the brakes . Are you religious ?? well im not im so anti religion its not funny but at the end of the straight I wait until you see god before I grab the brakes and grab them bloody hard or you will die :D :D :D

MarkeeMark

22-03-2009, 05:36 PM

Haha Shane you're right but I was fatiguing hard in the last 2 sessions.
In session 4 I did 9 laps in a row at 1:10 something.
Best was a 1:09.52 in the 2nd session.
I've got e few more of my own video's that I'm watching over again and a couple from Adam while he was behind me.
I'll put em up soon.

albonator316

22-03-2009, 06:07 PM

fatiguing was the toughest part, half the sessions i came in a lap or two before the end.

edit: spelling :oops:

MarkeeMark

22-03-2009, 06:42 PM

I think Champs did the right thing by asking for people to move up and down.
It was a sellout at 80 bikes. 4 groups, 20 in each. They had to do something.
35 bikes in one group was silly and dangerous. We did not have enough numbers to have our own and we new that would be the case.
I'm not sure having us all in one group is a good idea either. Having someone pass you at speed thru a corner makes no difference what bike you're on.
The difference with the groups was where you were allowed to pass basically.
Being passed by a 1 litre superbike at 230kph plus is unnerving but you get used to it. You hold your line and they'll go round you. We all know that.
Same goes with the 125GP bikes they're just as quick and even faster thru the corners!
But watching some of the guys in the blue group looking round when they come into a corner then taking the racing line was just stupid.
You can't trust they've got the experience to be able to hang on and hold their line if they go in to deep, where as the more experienced guys in the faster groups can and do.
We spilt the quicker people up at TT, the same thing happened at Broadford.
I'm there to improve my riding and have fun. Not dodge incompetent fools who should be on postie bikes delivering mail.

If we get 25 riders at the next one do you think Champs will give us our own group?
I'm not sure that they will because it will mean they'll have to run shorter sessions or drop one of their coloured groups.
The sporties wont like shorter sessions nor will they like to lose a group which will be a way of passing for them.

Shane, Tim and Myles from SA on the Yamaha's all moved up to the yellow group for the last session by asking and had a ball.
Myles mentioned the speed of the sporties when they were passing and how close but dealt with it well.
They had more room and more time to chase each other along with me chasing them without the worry about inexperienced guys ruining good laps.

Let's get some feedback from Champs thru Bedo and go from there, I thought it was a great day and had heaps of fun.

To clarify the groups:
Red was the novice class
Green was overtaking on the straights and outside only in corners
Blue was overtaking on straights, and inside and outside and corners
Yellow was pretty much anything goes and experienced riders

Wobbly

22-03-2009, 06:54 PM

Mark - if they had 4 groups of 20 we could have had an entire group to ourselves with no need for champs to worry about shortening sessions or anything else. If we want to try and convince them to run the short track then the only option will be for us to be able to work as a single session...

Muzzard

22-03-2009, 06:59 PM

Like I said I'm out and wont be pushing any further for the group bookings.
Its a useless and expensive exercise on behalf of the Supermoto issue and community IMO going by yesterdays farce

Champions could have also asked the minority sportbike riders from the blue group to fuck off elsewhere too
Would make a lot more sense, a lot safer and still got 4 groups of 20
So that doesnt wash with me...

albonator316

22-03-2009, 06:59 PM

Not dodge incompetent fools who should be on postie bikes delivering mail.

some of them would be demoted to push bike duties ;)

some of the blue group sports bike riders were average but i didn't have any problems with them, they usually run wide anyway. Would have been nice to have all the tards in one group but 35 in the blue group was too many. I wish i'd had my camera working for that first session, was interesting :lol:

MarkeeMark

22-03-2009, 07:00 PM

Muzzard

22-03-2009, 07:01 PM

No they need to split the sportbike riders that choose blue
Simple :?
We group book then there is no blue group that day.
They still get the bookings so why the fuck should they care?
Its one day every 2 months too so not a real big ask ...

albonator316

22-03-2009, 07:09 PM

BB63

22-03-2009, 07:13 PM

Should have all just gone in the novice group, all of the dicks that think they can ride but cant dont go there and it is way more fun passing the tupperware bikes round the outside anyway. Besides that after the first 2 sessions you would have had the whole group to yourselves anyway as everybody thinks they are too good for the novice anyways. :lol:
Cheers Brian

Wobbly

22-03-2009, 07:24 PM

Well let's see how Ian goes with talking to champs. Mark, not sure about them not being able to split the groups and needing 5 - before track days got increasingly popular there used to be 3 groups - slow, intermediate and fast. I think more than anything else its just a response to how to divvy up a day with more and more subscriptions, so as long as we keep it economic with champs it should be okay...

albonator316

22-03-2009, 07:50 PM

Ozmoto

22-03-2009, 07:55 PM

Well done to all of those that rode , looks like a great day.

Good videos too.... :D

MarkeeMark

22-03-2009, 07:56 PM

I know Neil but I can't see them changing their set schedule of Red, Green, Blue and Yellow groups.
If you add us in as our own group that makes 5 groups.
Sessions would either be shortened or lessened.
See my point.

cos they need to cater for the sports bikes that want to pass on both sides but don't want to ride in the experts class (yellow), that what your saying mark?
I think we should wait and see what champions thought of the day. I'm happy to see what Ian can find out about the day

Exactly Nick.

I don't think we should be asking Champs to do anything just yet.
We should do everything they ask and then some.
After we frequent 'THEIR' Ride Days they will make changes that suit us and is beneficial to them.

shane

22-03-2009, 07:57 PM

good points , a supermoto only group would be the way to go as the sporties get in the way all the time , at least even the slow guy on supermoto's are riding same style bikes so they can be passed anywhere on track where as you casnt pass a 1000 on the straight but the shut the throttle half way down a get in the way around the corners .

for SM only group, fast and slow the long track may be better as its a short lap otherwise and you would be running into the slow guys every other corner .
if someone was only a beginer they could run in the Red group so they dont have someone slidding up the inside and scaring the shit out of them .
something has to be worked out as you need to have that as an option to ride as there is little else

Muzzard

22-03-2009, 08:06 PM

At least then if we are together the slower riders soon learn what the tyres can cope with, how late you can brake, how to find the lines on a Supermoto and get faster by tacking on the back and emulating your lines.

albonator316

22-03-2009, 08:15 PM

tacking on the back is the best way to learn
countless xbox racing games helped too :lol2:

SMC690

22-03-2009, 08:21 PM

One group of tards.

Even between the slowest and fastest times of us in the group it will flow much better and is safer.

Think of the benefit's for the group.

Put the slower roadblock sports bike riders a group down and put the faster ones up a group. Would have worked fine last Saturday.

We don't need to start dividing our group with elitist shit either & that's what's already happening, especially if we want to do it as a 'club'.

I'm sure the sub 10 club can certainly circulate with the rest of our other riders.

>$2300 of their income was generated by us last Saturday so we should hopefully have some voice, especially if we hold up the regularity and attend as much as possible, might take some time.

riffler

22-03-2009, 08:25 PM

Well said SMC690!!,

I had a great time on sat, thanks to all who orgainized it.

BennyV

22-03-2009, 09:13 PM

Guys, apart from the splitting issue of us on the motards into different groups, it was a great day and was good to finally meet a few of you guys in person.
Muzz its a pity u wont be in on the next ride day, cos the more the show of force from us on the motards the easier it will be to get a session just for the tards.
I was not involved in the organization of this day so congrats to the guys behind the scenes.
I regard to the total motard session, I think if it was put to champions B4 the day, with good argument for then I think we wouldn't have a problem. They now know we can get the numbers for the booking out of a whole session. It wouldnt be hard for them to have a novice group, a medium group a fast group and a motard group. Its only been a little while since all ride day operators seemed to move to 4 groups from 3 anyway. But in saying that, if 80 rides is full group, then if we get 20 tards we should be able to have a session to ourselves.
I have read all the posts, and nearly all have merit. I was in yellow (fast group) and my lap times were faster than some of the sporties, but in the couple of laps where ur court up with them on the straights its a pain in the arse.... They hold you up, u pass them in the corners, they pass u down the straight, up get them back under breaks, they pass u back down the straight, they hold u up again......and again etc till u manage to get a break then u dont see them again. But also, champions have a duty of care to their riders, and all they see is the total lap times, so they think they were doing the right thing by moving people up or down. Cos motards are a strange breed to them, they might not have the understanding of the low top speed but great and ease of cornering. So in there trying to make the day safer they probably would have been better off just putting all the tards together!!!!!!
But thats where 'WE" come in, as we need to educate them, it's not there fault, they just need to be educated weith something that is new to them. It was clear that they were unsure how to take us when we had our own separate "motard riders briefing" as the guy stated, "we have never had this many motards here a one time b4".
I had two of my mates there on sat, one who had never ridden a tard b4 but put some wheels on his KXF, and the other on the Ducati who had never been to a ride day B4, Both thoroughly loved the day, both had almost the same lap times, but the difference in the way the laps were ridden was so evident when I went out with them on the last session, Jas on the duc just powered past mick down nearly every straight, but mick just rode around the outside of him again thru the course the lap. They were having a good old ding dong, but they knew each other.
Most bikes that do similar lap times have similar speeds, eg: down the straight, corners etc, even comparing a 1000cc to a 600cc, but through a motard in the mix and that theory gets thrown out the window.

So how does this get fixed?????
1. I think that again getting enough motards to a ride day to book a whole session out. 20+ bikes
2. Discussing with the ride day operator the reasoning for wanting the separate session. 'Educating them' to cater to our needs and for maximum safety on the day.
3. Offering to help them with any changes that they might have to do to cater for a motard only session.

Anyway, as for Saturday, I and I think 99% of u had an absolute blast! And if we want to establish a motard only sessions with Champions, then we just have to do this again, show our presence at these things and let them know it's not just a one off!

As well as that, some of u guys who were there on Saturday and anyone else on a tard for that matter, come race the Hartwells, the next one is at winton (The short track) and at the last meeting there were about 15 motards in the class. U can race with a day/meeting permit (cos its classed as a clubday. A two day meeting, and its great fun! Cheers.

MarkeeMark

22-03-2009, 09:24 PM

I never said I had a problem riding around in a group full of motards that is my aim too.
It's a hell of a lot safer without the sports bikes.
They were my problem, my only problem!

In the riders briefing and the one the Champs dude gave us prior, they made it quite clear about riding with your mates and safety.
In their eye's, probably for insurance reasons, they split us up.

If you didn't hear it, listen next time.

Someone had a go at me for passing in the 1st 2 laps of the morning session while under yellow flags!
No passing was for the red and green groups and the flags were out so you could identify the flagging points!
Again people not listening in the riders briefing.

I will do all I can to get us the short track and a motard only group but with diplomacy and grace not by demanding and yelling and screaming.

Wobbly

22-03-2009, 09:29 PM

Well said Ben, I think you've summed up nicely.

Another big up I'd like to send out is to all the SA guys who came across. This was done to help us out give a good showing of motards on the day, and they did it with a lot more time and expense than most of us. Hopefully they all had a good time and that the day gave them some more valuable track time. I certainly hope we manage to see more of the guys coming across whenever they can, and if anyone needs accom you're all more than welcome to crash at my place, though it's about an hour and a half from the track.

Numbers, consistency and dialogue with champs is what we need :)

BennyV

22-03-2009, 09:43 PM

Mark, I agree, the listening factor is a big one! Someone also said something to me about the passing in the first two laps too! "Cleaned ur ears out lately mate", was part of my reply b4 I also had to re-explain the reasoning behind the holding out of the flags! ha ha ha ha. Stupid idea anyway, fair enough for the first session, but after that, if u don't know where the flag marshals are! Geez!
And communication with diplomacy is definately what is needed, kicking up a fuss cos they didn't do what we might have liked first time is not.

Thanks Neil, and I also reckon its a great effort for the guys who came over from S.A, I hope they had a great day and had a safe drive home! Timmy was able to get some valuable track time for the Hartwell round in a few months! lol

Muzzard

22-03-2009, 09:58 PM

No doubt Ian will make some sense of it all and push the motard only argument with Champions.
I've calmed down a bit now and agree with what Justin says.
Some lessons to be learned from the demise and reasoning behind it from the SRCA :?
I haven't kicked up a fuss with Champions nor gone screaming and yelling anywhere just plainly given my 2 bobs worth after the work that went into the organising of a 'group booking for motards'.
Do you people think I'm so stupid as to not already put all these things into place?
It was the reasoning behind going there in the first place,
We would be able to be grouped together.

When I arrived yesterday morning the people from Champions knew fuck all about our Group booking and were shitty when they found out Pat had reserved us pit bays up the top.
Its inside Champions that the problem lies and poor communication it seems.

I should have kicked up yesterday rather than just go with the flow,
But where would that have got us and who would have still enjoyed the day knowing the organisers didnt appreciate us there?

SMC690

22-03-2009, 10:00 PM

I listened to both briefings intensely, it doesn't mean the guy is right though. Sending that many bikes out was damn stupid, it was like the fukn toy run in the first session.

Therefore what safety?

If safety is high on their agenda then maybe Champions need to recognise the difference between how we and the tupperware jockeys ride now that they have had enough Tards worthy of their own group.

tambi

22-03-2009, 10:06 PM

Looks like a good day, nice vids Nick 8) 8) 8) What speed does the 500 getup to down the straight?
Did Sibbo turn up?

devo

22-03-2009, 10:10 PM

We find that the sports bike guys whinge about us more than anything. As a minority, even a 20 strong minority, maybe just ride?

SMC690

22-03-2009, 10:11 PM

Yes he did Dan. He brought the Berg & a pastel painted ZX6 and he had a great day too. :)

devo

22-03-2009, 10:12 PM

Lol, pastel.

SMC690

22-03-2009, 10:22 PM

maybe just ride?

I will be regardless of one group or split groups. It's not worth not going out and missing out on a day because they won't accommodate our request for a single group.

There is one benefit of riding with sporties, they call it humiliation. ;)

Some of those lads get damn shitty, one tried to run me off the track, lol. I owned him later, I put in my fastest lap all day just after I passed him for the last time in the final session. :)

HyperGez

22-03-2009, 10:25 PM

I had absolute blast on Saturday even though I was very fatigued after coming off a nightshift.
Myself and riffler were asked to move down a group after the second session and we agreed thinking it might be the right thing to do to allow the numbers to be spread out a bit, 35 was definately far too many in one session. It was a bad move. We were held up everywhere, not allowed to pass up the inside (we did, we had to) and were buzzed (almost touching bars, that's how close :shock: ) by the sporties as a payback for passing them, and you should have seen some of the lines these guys were taking, running wide then slowing up and pulling back in tight :shock: I had a few close calls that session.
We both moved back up for the next one.
From scruitineering on, I got the impression that we were a bother, but I think it was that they did not know what to do with us. The seperate briefing proved that point to me.
I will be back, no doubt about it, but I think that Champions need to listen to their customers a little better instead of playing the 'It's our way or the hwy' crap.
Let's hope they do.

albonator316

22-03-2009, 10:29 PM

Looks like a good day, nice vids Nick 8) 8) 8) What speed does the 500 getup to down the straight?
Did Sibbo turn up?

I learnt alot that day, when given room for the bike to stretch its legs, it just keeps going and going so my gearing wasn't tall enough, the bike just kept pulling. Juz's speedo said 180 and the cr would have to be around that mark then, plus a bit ;) minus the usual bike error in speedo. the bike could pull more :shock: i kept looking for another gear.
will have a new front cog for the next day ;)

tambi

22-03-2009, 10:32 PM

nice one 8)
As you said, not bad for a 16 year old 2 banger ;)

albonator316

22-03-2009, 10:35 PM

yup :D

Nerb

22-03-2009, 10:37 PM

Someone had a go at me for passing in the 1st 2 laps of the morning session while under yellow flags!
No passing was for the red and green groups and the flags were out so you could identify the flagging points!
Again people not listening in the riders briefing.

Are you absolutely sure? What happens if theres a crash in the fisrt lap? You dont slow down? That sounds like a recipe for disaster in my book. I was only calling you a cheat cause i wanted to give you some footage of me leaving you behind :lol: but you pulled off anyway. Fear does that to a man. :P

BennyV

23-03-2009, 07:20 AM

If I had known about the single motard group idea b4 the motard only briefing I would have said something when he told us there was going to be 36 bikes on the track in one session. I thought the moving up or back a group was all part of the day. The single motard session would have worked much better, I would have spoken up!
The definate breakdown of communication within champions I see is the problem here if the idea of a motard session was pre-discussed. Them being based in Sydney and having a Vic crew doesn't help.
Next time guys, next time. =)

SMC690

23-03-2009, 07:32 AM

YouTube - KTM 690 SMC Supermoto - Broadford - A few laps from Session 6 - Sat 21/03/2009 - Juz Helmet Cam

Got 2 laps in at 1:11 in my last session by my movie stopwatch, lol. :)

MarkeeMark

23-03-2009, 07:49 AM

Wobbly

23-03-2009, 08:32 AM

Got 2 laps in at 1:11 in my last session by my movie stopwatch, lol. :)
Three by my count :)

12.1, 11.3, 11.5, 12.7, 12.8, 11.1 by my watch. No wonder you walked away from me in the last session :)

Wobbly

23-03-2009, 08:34 AM

My video is less spectacular than some, but I prefer the music :P

I've gone back to the stock gearing as the bike wasn't pulling the extra tooth on the front, and vmax was only 160 by the end of either straight (was almost as fast on the short straight as the long straight). Could be a weight problem too :lol:

This is session 3 ... not an apex in sight and I brake like a pussy :lol2:

YouTube - Supermoto - Broadford 2009-03-21 Session 3

Muzzard

23-03-2009, 08:45 AM

Maybe you understand where I am coming from Benny.
I am not having a go at any of us.
I am really annoyed at Champions for the way it unfolded.
Yes I think you have nailed it with the Interstate bit and the admin versus the track attendants ...
Yes maybe I should have spoken up but the 'we will help you load your bike and leave' bit rubs me the wrong way to start :?

We knew it wasn't a race meeting for motards,
He still had to tell us though,
We knew what we were doing and which group we were aligned to,
They had no idea when we arrived,
We organised pit garages through Pat,
They wanted to remove the tape when they found them reserved,
And as we all identified safety,
They couldn't spell the word ...

I had a good day all the same,
Tuckered out and in a fair bit of pain so satisfied with the amount of time I rode etc and the way the bikes performed and how everyone enjoyed the day.
Downside was to not enjoy all the track time as a whole, just bits of each session where I wasn't being buzzed by idiots who couldn't ride a pogo stick outta the shed.

SM93

23-03-2009, 08:48 AM

alot of the stuff u guys are talking about it is why i won't be doing many track days this year. buzzing tards on the straights is just plain stupid

liebeknecht

23-03-2009, 08:56 AM

Thanks for an enjoyable weekend
the broadford track is certainly fun and fast :) it would be nicer if the striaghts were a little bit shorter so the roadies didnt pull such a big gap

the drive home was long with Dave raving about his r1 ,gsx1000 and r6 overtaking move on the last corner 4 bikes wide being the highlight of his trip ;)

i agree with the motard only group only because of the difference of top speed down the straight which has to be a saftey issue in itself
but i really enjoyed jamming it up the inside of them in corners anyway

maybe we will see you all for a Mac Park day next time :)

cheers
Andrew

Flash

23-03-2009, 09:07 AM

Everyone has good points particularly Mark! It is imperative you listen at the riders briefing! (so used to driver briefings) regardless of what they're saying or how many you have been through You must listen not talk!

A big thanks to the SA boys! Hope some of us can so the same for you guys!

BEDO

23-03-2009, 10:17 AM

Firstly I'd like to say, I have read all the posts and the general vibe is it was a good day had by all. I would like to thank all who participated.

I'm spitted chips I wasn't there to address the issues of The Reserved Sheds and the apparent lack of comunitcation between the Champs management and the ride day staff. (The managment is in QLD.)
I wish I could give a first hand account to the organisers, but I'll do my best on your behalf as the organiser of the group booking. I'll remind them that 25% of the fee's payed were our group. And that we did overall enjoy the day but for a few issues raised.
But it is their ride day and their rules, also the customer must be catered for.
We must also be diplomatic in the way that we have limited tracks to ride on. So it cuts both ways in my book.
I will be putting the short track option on hold at this point in time.

I will be bringing up the issues discused here with Champs managment of

1. Safety
2. Making ground staff aware of group bookings and shed reservation.
3. A motard only group when we have 20 to 25 riders.
4. We are looking at a regular group booking at Broadford as everyone enjoys the track.

Just some other notes to add.
I think that alot of bookings from a prior cancelled track day were put into this day, dew to the fires in Feb.

Anyone can book these days, So ya gunna get the fool that can afford a weapon(think they can ride), but carn't control it, too proud to ride in the novice group. Get all wound up over being passed by a "dirtbike with road wheels" and give ya a BUZZ on the straight to make'm-selves feel like a man, just to be passed again in the twists and turns. Which gets them even more irrate.
Then on top of that, ya got the top sheds reserved just for you "Friggen Motarders" from VSMR " Who the Fu#ck do ya think you are, What an outrage your not special."
No we are not, we are just alittle bit smarter and have a bit of organisation,
Also I asked nicely for those sheds before the track day to keep our group together....
This is also only our second group booking with Champs and our first in such numbers the first being 11 and this being 21, I believe if we make more bookings of 20 to 25 they will come to the party for a motard only group.
The Management in QLD did ask me to report back on how our day went so they are expecting a reply from me.

BennyV

23-03-2009, 10:29 AM

Yeah I do Muzz, cos I thought everyone had a great day (not knowing about the sorta pre-arraranged all tards in one session thing). Just thought it a bit dissapointing when u said u'd pull the pin on doing the next one, cos of this first attempt not working exactly. But as u have said later, u had ur rant but have cooled down a bit! LOL
Next time we do this, we need to talk to James Spence (I think he still is the owner of Champions) himself and get some correspondance acknowledging our intentions for the tard only group, which then could be filtered to the Vic guys of Champions so they know what was going on!

Most of the posts seem to be dwelling on the slight negatives of the day, but al in all it was a fantastic day, and being buzzed by a few rodies, was really the least of my concern, just made me more determined to smash it up the inside on the next corner, or wave to him as I rode around the outside! ha ha ha. They dont like that! ha ha ha.

If the small negatives keep being brought to the forfront people get disheartened and guys who didn't attent this graet day might not want to go to the next one from what the have read. POSITIVES PEOPLE.. POSITIVES! With the amount of Motards there on Saturday, our show of force can be only taken as a positive in my book. (split into different groups or not)

albonator316

23-03-2009, 10:34 AM

Couldn't agree more ben :up:
I had a ball, I will have to wave as i go around the outside of them next time :lol2:

BennyV

23-03-2009, 10:34 AM

Good stuff Ian, Pity u couldn't be there, it was great to see so many tards all lined up in the sheds.

The feedback to champions is our great opportunity to let them know, without pushing the issue too much, ie: educating them of our needs/wants!

Good stuff!

MarkeeMark

23-03-2009, 11:24 AM

Session 1 blue group
YouTube - Champions Ride Day Broadford 21/3/09 Session 1
Session 2 yellow group
YouTube - Champions Ride Day Broadford 21/3/09 session 2
Session 3 yellow group
YouTube - Champions Ride Day Broadford 21/3/09 session 3
Session 4 yellow group
YouTube - Champions Ride Day Broadford 21/3/09 session 4
Session 5 yellow group
YouTube - Champions Ride Day Broadford 21/3/09 session 5
Session 6 cut short due to flat battery :) but on track with Shane, Myles and Timmy from SA on their Yamaha's after they moved up to the yellow group for a session.
YouTube - Champions Ride Day Broadford 21/3/09 session 6

No music for me, CBF! A few have had bits cut out to make them shorter.
All should be able to be watched in High Quality after pressing the play button chose HQ straight away for an even clearer view.

I've got 2 more from Adam's(nico KXF450 #67) camera that I need to shorten as well. I'll get them up soon.

Also had a chat with Bedo this morning and he has my thoughts on the day too. He will talk with Champs and report back when he can.

I had a great day and saw my lap times come down which will make all the difference when I race there next for Hartwell and Preston Interclubs.
I also think eventually I will not ride on these days and just support/organise from the sidelines. I get my fix from racing.
To each their own.