New Track in East Gippsland & Discussion around use

[MarkeeMark]

Haunted Hills http://www.vhrr.com/photos/Haunted%20Hills/index.html

There is now a replacement track, named Haunted Hills, for the old Morwell hill climb track that is being excavated in the search for more coal. TRU Energy built this to replace what they are now digging up. Can be configured into a variety of circuit layouts.

Run by the Gippsland Car Club.

Anyone got any contacts there otherwise I'm going to ring and find out more info about having our own day there.


http://www.vhrr.com/photos/Haunted%20Hills/images/img_0333.jpg

http://www.vhrr.com/photos/Haunted%20Hills/images/img_0331.jpg

[shane]

great looking track , loving the up and downs

bet they could whip up a monster dirt section in about 5 min with D11 and PC2200 :-}}}}}}}

[SM93]

wow that looks rad!!!

[albonator316]

great mark, i'll see if i can find any contacts back there.

[SMC690]

I think Nick & I might have to go and check that one out one weekend soon.

[Muzzard]

I have had discussions over the years with the Car Club.
We had a reasonable showing just after the reseal in 2004 follow on from the Morwell Round of SM State level racing in 2003 and then the track was closed.
I can refresh the contact with them quite easy and reopen the original dialogue hopefully.

[albonator316]

20 min drive from my place back in gipps :D
if we can get out there i'll have somewhere for everyone to camp at at least

[huskyboy610]

damn that looks sweet.. could we have a blast on there the same time as the cars for fun? :P

[MarkeeMark]

great looking track , loving the up and downs

bet they could whip up a monster dirt section in about 5 min with D11 and PC2200 :-}}}}}}}

Hell yeah that's what I was thinking too! And it's closer than Winton and the Preston MCC have had talk about it.
Pocket bikes have already raced there as well!

[albonator316]

my old man knows a few people involved, i've asked him to get somee contact names and numbers.

[MarkeeMark]

my old man knows a few people involved, i've asked him to get somee contact names and numbers.

Sweet Nick, I think we could have a day there before the end of the year.
I'll ring the Harley club as well to see if they'd be interested in helping out in some way or another.

[Ozmoto]

I might even drive the 32 hours down there just to do a few loops on that , looks perfect :D

[Muzzard]

Its not as simple as just ring up the Clubs and asking Mark.
There is a protocol to everything.
Pete will help if there was an invitation from another registered Club to attend as an invited Club.
We can post news into the Tapped Out newsletter and generate interest across the board though.

Our best bet is to either reopen the original dialogue like I said previously,
Or request in writing a response to an application to use the circuit going from the general enquiry line.
Or wait for Nicks father to speak to the Secretary of the Car Club behind the scenes and get a foot in the door.
I am a member of MMMC and they are the pocket bikes you speak of under the VPBA, so I could ask Scott to give us the good oil as well.

Theres also the inherent insurance and waiver clauses that will need to to be addressed.
TT is a gift so understand that from the 'regulatory process' perspective.
Simple indemnities dont cut it when you are looking at Motorsport.
LOC to the tune of 5 and sometimes 6 figures are usually required.

Good to be keen mate no problems there,
Good on you,
But the right way first time mate ;)

[adam]

hell yeah, weve been talking about a summer trip to vic to do do a couple of track days or races, that looks pretty cool to me!!

[playwme]

Its not as simple as just ring up the Clubs and asking Mark.
There is a protocol to everything.
Pete will help if there was an invitation from another registered Club to attend as an invited Club.
We can post news into the Tapped Out newsletter and generate interest across the board though.

Our best bet is to either reopen the original dialogue like I said previously,
Or request in writing a response to an application to use the circuit going from the general enquiry line.
Or wait for Nicks father to speak to the Secretary of the Car Club behind the scenes and get a foot in the door.
I am a member of MMMC and they are the pocket bikes you speak of under the VPBA, so I could ask Scott to give us the good oil as well.

Theres also the inherent insurance and waiver clauses that will need to to be addressed.
TT is a gift so understand that from the 'regulatory process' perspective.
Simple indemnities dont cut it when you are looking at Motorsport.
LOC to the tune of 5 and sometimes 6 figures are usually required.



Sounds a bit political and beauracratic to me Muzz.

What you do is-
Find the guy with a key to the gate. Everyone who shows up brings a 6 pack (an extra one on top of what they brought for personal consumption). Man with key gets many 6 pack, bikes go round track, everyone happy.

[albonator316]

thats what usually happens in the country ;)

[Muzzard]

thats what usually happens in the country ;)
Yep and thats why we cant ride at the Wodonga Track too.
Idiots in there after the racing back in January of 2006.
Some of the idiots in there afterwards were the racers too :?

Beaurocratic maybe but its the right way to go about things.
Coincidentally, I had discussions today again with a Senior State Government official regards this sort of thing and the expident regulation and structuring of the Sport in general so as to afford us another track in the north of the State.
I can add this type of thing to the please explain as to use of Government and semi government owned but leased sites already hosting / motorcycle training / motorsport practice or racing.
Its a better way to go about things although longer in the process because the Minister for Sport in Victoria will ultimately be reading these letters as will be the Federal and other Members of Parliment, namely the Minister for Regional Development etc.
These cannot be binned as radical or non conformist requests.
They are coming from the local Federal members office so need an official response too.

[devo]

How many clubs will be getting survey teams in to drill a few holes around their deteriorating tracks....? Haha.

That looks like an ace piece of track.

[Muzzard]

The old track was in existence since I think about 1952.
It was earmarked then as being on a significant deposit of coal as was the town of Yallourn.
Move the town was the first step in around 1977 and now the track.
Took a while but thats progress :?

The coal pit was set alight in the late 70's and flooded to extinguish the fire that was underground in the coal layers.
Now a lake and aquatic centre too.

[Wobbly]

Track looks awesome.

Probably the softly softly approach might be most expedient. If we have contacts through Nick then I'd suggest a quiet word as to the likely appetite for use of the track might be a good start, and may give us a fair indication of a preferred way forward from the owners/operators. Learning from interstate, it's likely that we entertain casual non-competitive track days as an opening.

Is this a privately operated track, and does it receive any government funding? While pressing a case through the administration may be an option, we also need to deal with the fact that we're a minority group who don't wield much/any political influence, in which case the informal channel or relationship may provide greater leverage.

[Muzzard]

Yes exactly the crux of todays ongoing discussions.
Should we become regulated under the Act we are in on a lot that are Government owned and operated on short term shared lease agreements.
It will take a little time but we also have other options in the immediate,
Nick ;)

[Nerb]

1250 meters long and 50 seconds it the time to beat. Thats an average of 90kph.

Looks scary for an off... vertical cut embankments on the outsides off the corners. Not that that would stop me if we were ever allowed on there.

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/8128/hhrr17vq6.jpg

http://smokie.ws/Newtrack/Aerial%20shot.jpg

[skivi]

^^^ my mouth is watering!

[MarkeeMark]

Looks like they brought along all the old tractor tyres from the old hillclimb site as well.
Nice pics Brendan.

[Flash]

That could work out to be a good little track! Does look more like a go kart track than a car track though

[Ozmoto]

1250 metres , 50 seconds....

I could do it :lol:

[albonator316]

That could work out to be a good little track! Does look more like a go kart track than a car track though

The old one was like that but about half as long, doesn't really matter when they will likely only do time trials on it.

[Joe]

Looks awesome, I want to go there !

[SM93]

road trip!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Nerb]

Watching a few of the videos on youtube, its obviously not set up for car racing... its only about 1 car width. The tards would have a ball, but im doubting it will happen.

We're still gonna need to build our own track.

[SM93]

it does look really narrow

[devo]

It's a hill climb, not meant to be any passing. Where's Stretch? He's a hill climb specialist. :D

[albonator316]

My old mans joining the club to help aid communications. fingers crossed

[MarkeeMark]

WELL done Nick.

YouTube - Haunted Hills Hillclimb Circuit

[playwme]

Beaurocratic maybe but its the right way to go about things.


Yeah, I know. It's just a shame that all the politics and liability get in the way so much. We haven't had any sort of Motorsport Venue in the ACT since the Dragway closed down. They've been talking about it for years, and come election time everyone starts making promises to get the Motorhead vote. They never seem to be able to find a venue due to someone complaining that it'll be too noisy, even though there are huge areas of government land out near the Airport underneath the flight path.

Noise was what killed the V8 supercars in Canberra too. We used to have one of the most interesting and picturesque circuits on the V8 calender, but the fucken flower crew couldn't cope with 1 weekend of noise a year. It's alright to close down half the park around the lake for a month while they have Floriade but we get nothing. All thats left is the Summernats, which they always have a whinge about but it pretty much keeps Canberra businesses alive during the Christmas break.

[MarkeeMark]

It appears the the track is available for hire. The WRX club of vic is using it this weekend.
I know people on the commitee and will ask them what's involved and how much next week after it has been run by them.

[Woolf555]

Good work Mark. Goddamn I hope this pans out, that track looks like so much fun for a motard [-o< :D

[Muzzard]

All the car clubs use it its just the same as hiring any other track in the country.
There is also Rob Roy in Templestowe been reopened regards hillclimbs.
I was a member of the MG Car Club who also administer that.
This whole deal is gonna fall in a fucking heap quickly if there is no proper approach to the whole deal.
Mad scrambling around for contacts etc will not help our cause,
Just confuse it.

Like I said previously and twice already.
I have had communications over the years with the club involved and see no reason why the dialogue cannot be returned.

If you wanna ride there,
Go about it the right way.
Theres tracks all over Victoria and to get the access is hard.
Do you blokes think I sit on my fucking hands here all day,
Ask Allan (Slowmoto) if its easy.
Hes been doing it for a few years too in dirt track circles and has had not so polite knock backs recently to requests for tracks to use in the Western District.

[Muzzard]

Who underwrites our Group Insurance?
Who is legally responsible as the representative of the Group?
Is our Group a registered entity either as a Club Inc or registered business with ACN?
Who is the Clerk Of Course responsible for the track use on the day should be get a short term 12 / 24 lease and actually put bikes on there?
Where do we get the marshalls from?
What format is it to run in sprints / limited numbers racing / practice only for either?
Who pays for the track in advance and then waits for the monies from entries?

Sounds like we have a few issues to address.
Back to the club structure discussion thread again ...

The only way you will get onto the track ATM IMO is to be involved with another Club able to promote the day.
I can speak to the Harley Club or Hartwell or both.
The Harley Club already are familiar with Hillclimbs running one at Yea annually.

[SM93]

you guys really just go around in circles, it just all seems to hard

[Muzzard]

Yeah it is alll a bit too hard.
You blokes in Queensland are lucky the last idiot didnt get that far and fuck it all up for you too.
We know whats going on down here and its a slow hard push.
What started as the heart of motard in Australia is now the tail.
Thats not our fault and if most of the people here now where there then,
You would know this.

You blokes are riding under Motorcycle Sportsmen aren't you?
A multi-disciplined Club with strong numbers in other disciplines?
Not the same here nothing fucking like it,
Most of the Clubs only have a handful of SM bikes that have to run in other categories and are happy to do that.
Its the bad taste left over for everyone we have to try and sweeten again.
I am not sticking the money out to promote racing and hope they come,
Anyone here with a Gold MasterCard wanna slip the details up so we can fund a State Championship and hope not everyone has sold their motard gear and will come.
Oops that happened in 2004 :roll:

[Muzzard]

While we are talking promoting racing and all too hard,
We all had a great time at the 2006 / 2007 Championship Rounds hosted by Mark Avard.
Well run rounds with good venues and racing to be had Nationally,
The Calder Round was not the demise of a multiround series when there are others to carry one poor turnout.
Its a case of poor turnout across the board to make the whole thing not viable again otherwise you would just drop the non profitable rounds.
Hence no Championship promotion from Mark this year at all.

[Flash]

Whats involved in hiring a venue as a private entity?
Say I just came into a little bit of cash and said I want to hire a track for a day what would I have to do?

Just a hypothetical of course!

[Daws]

Track looks Ace! I can see a QLD Roadtrip to do Broadford, Morwell and TT! 3 tracks in 3 days!

[Martin]

My 2
This track , like TT can never be a race track, imagine qualifying on row 3--there is no way in hell of getting through. Shouldn't & wouldn't get a track permit. Practice & time trials yes, & hiring it probably well feasible. Awesome place to ride but not race.
Politics
Join Hartwell (they ARE our Sportsmen !!) and Harley club-- support every race going and IF enough play a SM class will return.
The recent efforts to get a VIC round (Calder Masters 05 Cobden 06 Nats , Calder 07 Nats & Mildura 08 Nats) were repaid with 2-4 Victorians at each event so do not expect more in short term, maybe never.

Re Mark not running series in 08 I don't think it was lack of entries that took him away. We have a governing body of fuckwits who manage to destroy a lot of things. They also tipped money into the obviously flawed 08 series rather than help Mark. When one of these pathetic pen pushers goes on a power trip he does a lot of collateral damage.
Put the blame where it rests, in Montague St South Melbourne, the paid opposition to motorcycle sport in Australia. Paid by us !!!!!!!!

[devo]

Whats involved in hiring a venue as a private entity?
Say I just came into a little bit of cash and said I want to hire a track for a day what would I have to do?

Just a hypothetical of course!
You generally need someone with a coaching license and do it as a coaching day.

[MarkeeMark]

Well said Martin.

On the back of what Martin said who is going to join me on the racing circuit next year?
Join the Harley club $40, then get your national license $265 (you'll need it to race the nationals, the only place there will be a proper sumo track), then come road racing at events run by th Harley Club, Preston MCC in their Interclub series and also do the Hartwell MCC rounds with the other 10 or so motards that have been doing it this year and then maybe by the end of next year we will have enough "Racers" to substaniate our own class, just like the boys have done up north, to run in any of the above series.
Once we have this and an 'Affliated Club' then we can start petitioning, asking, doing whatever the F@#K it takes to get the tracks to put in a dirt section for us to use.
Until then we will look and use places like Haunted Hills for 'Sprint" days (1 bike on track at a time) and TT in Sth Morang!
So if you wanna ride sumo on other tracks pay the dosh, join up and come and play! Yes it's expensive but so is any motorsport!

Also I think it would be a great idea to have a dedicated "Racing" section on the forums where racers who are not interested in the general supermoto street scene can come and get all the National Supermoto Race info in one place.
I will put my hand up to keep it updated and organised, Fark I'll prolly end up organising something eventually!

Cheers MM

[albonator316]

I'm joining up next year mark. Are you going to join harley, preston and hartwell clubs??

[MarkeeMark]

I'm joining up next year mark. Are you going to join harley, preston and hartwell clubs??

I'm already a member of the Harley Club and I'll see if I have to join Hartwell to race in their series, I think being a financial member of one affiliated club is enough.
I joined the Harley Club on Muzz's recommendation through his association with them over the years and the fact they offer dirt track as well which is something I'd like to try just for fun!

[Muzzard]

Where are all the Victorian racers gone Martin?
You were there with Joe as a junior in 2003,
Why did they all sell bikes and move to different disciplines?

There will be a dedicated section under the SupermotoAus domain for racing and it will be up to date.
I have emailed Champions as they are setup for this type of event and can canvas on our behalf for the use at Haunted Hills specific to a motard day,
Then we just have to roll up and ride,
Best option in the first instance for a quick result.

While we are all members of differing Club bases and dispersed numbers we are just that,
Limited numbers in various Clubs.
Under the one banner we would have the opportunity to cohost / promote
InterClub racing until there was enough to swing our own series like W.A. has done.
It has a thriving scene because of the autonomy of the area.
Its a captive audience using 2 venues in one locale per head of population also being centralised as the population spread goes.
Agreed Martin that the only way it will grow is to attend the racing on offer here through the various events / clubs until there is enough interest to support it again.

Yep I'll be there in 2009 for a some racing for sure.
Renewed my licence yesterday ;)

[Muzzard]

Harley Club is the oldest racing club in Australia.
Good all round Club covering multi discipline although originally and still dirt track based.
Home track is Broadford.
Membership $40 per annum or $20 if you are outta the Metro area.

Hartwell very well established and Road Racing based although also offering multi discipline membership.
Membership around the $90 figure I think from memory.
Home track used to be Winton.

[Woolf555]

I heard the same thing in relation to MA basically pissing Mark Avard off to the point where he gave up. Unfortunately, they're also probably the key to us getting use of tracks like this. I know Muzz is looking at trying to get us into being an official MA affiliated club and that I believe will help a lot with negotiations in this regard (as opposed to just being a group of riders from an internet forum). I used to be the secretary for Seymour MCC for a few years and in order to have a practice day at our own track we had to fill out this form http://www.motorcyclingvic.com.au/Forms%202006/Permit%20Application%202008.pdf and pay MA around $150 which then covered everyone involved for insurance, liability etc. We'd run one each month where possible as our main income for the club. Each rider just had to have a minimum of an MA Recreational Licence (now $85 annually) in order to ride at a practice day. The potential sticking point is that the track itself needs to be licenced for competition, but I'm not sure whether that means it has to be licenced under MA regulations or whether a car/kart track licenced for competition under CAMS or similar would also apply. :?

[MarkeeMark]

Great info Dean, Muzz keep it coming. This has turned into a very good conversation for us.
2 heads are always better than one and many hands make lite work!

[Flash]

I agree I think this is good keep it going!

I am looking to start racing next year also. I'm not sure what but it will be on a tight budget at this stage. I might have a look at some of the road racing stuff with you Mark!

[Muzzard]

Dean has summed it up better I think and that is the general direction we as a group of enthusiasts are heading.
TT wont cut it from a few different angles through M.A and thats why we need to be affiliated before we start going in and asking for track access.
As licence paying and financial members of an affiliated Club base specific to our sport we then have a fair and more than reasonable showing at leasing tracks to use specific to motard,
Broadford for instance already with dirt section insitu and also the some of the other tracks used previously for the State series.

Its frustrating Mark,
I give you props for being enthusiastic mate and us moving forward further really hangs on a registered base of enthusiasts under the one banner.
Really I think thats where our discussion should be centralised coming up to a new season and Ian already done so much of the administration regards sorting of the Act itself.
I reckon we seriously need to find a location, maybe TT, to hold an inaugural meeting and publicise the fact its on in advance in as many places as possible.
At the meeting elect officials and send the stuff off to MA asking for affiliation as a racing club.

[Daws]

Muzz, they used to hold Australian Championship Pocketbike racing at TT when it was the GPTC, surely this would have to have been an MA sanctioned event? Or is it only sanctioned up to a particular engine capacity like the situation we have at IKT.

It's sounding positive so far.

[MarkeeMark]

Muzz can we not propostion The Harley Club to take on a Supermoto representative? From that we would then already have affiliation? And therefore to do any racing we would have a commitee who have much more experience in running club based events?

I think I will go to their next meeting and sit in on preceedings.

From what I know about motorsport commitee's it is
1. Time consumming
2. Hard to get people onto a commitee
3. Even harder to get a racer to give up his spot on the grid to officate at an event.
4. Getting enough paying members to constitute a club.

[Wobbly]

So if the WRX club are hiring out the track then how are they doing it? I mean, I think we need to differentiate here between what we need to do for people to get some fun track time and what would be required to get a competitive series organised, as they are poles apart.

So is the WRX club incorporated as a legal entity? What are they doing for their indemnity insurance? What process did they go through to get track access? Would they be interested in any sort of joint events, similar to what we do with TT, in order to reduce costs?

Sounds like a dialogue with them may be of benefit...

[Flash]

I agree with what you are saying there Mark! my old man used to help out because I was never going to miss out on a race. On the odd occation I would show up at a race I wasn't competing at to offer a hand but never if it was a title race

[MarkeeMark]

Neil the WRX Club is incorporated, they have CAMS affiliation and have all the issues mentioned in my other post.
They have a large membership base at $100 per year but they have a large number of cars racing (timed sprints, no grid starts) in the associate class cos you only had to have owned a Subaru to join. This then allowed them to ask other affiliated clubs to join them to make up the numbers to get the cash to hire the tracks out as they do every year. I'm not sure what they do for insurance.

My initial thoughts about Haunted Hills was to maybe be able to ride there under a practice day guise with another bike club/association.
No side by side racing obviously as it's a hillclimb and has been setup as that.

In the mean time put your money where your mouth is, join the Harley club and come road racing!
You never know we might even get our own class.
Myself and a few others got our own RS Liberty class at the WRX club for season 2004 ( I still have lap records on their website (http://www.wrx.com.au/clubrecords.html) at Winton and Phillip Island, yes they have been smashed since then but hey I'll take what I can get :twisted: )There was only 5-6 at each event and we were on track with the associate class guys but was still heaps of fun. For the record I came 2nd :( .

[MarkeeMark]

Update for those interested in this thread.

Hartwell MCC (http://www.hartwellmcc.org) joining fee $25 membership (annual) $75 must be a member to race in their championship also need a race license.

Preston MCC membership (http://www.prestonmcc.com.au/)$55 (annual) members can race their Interclub series.

Harley Club of Victoria (http://members.optusnet.com.au/~speedbowl/) membership $40 (annual) Can also race the Interclub RR series

All these clubs are MA Affiliated.

[Nerb]

Did Neils point get ignored? I dont want to race. I just want to ride on a track without fear of a car coming the other way. I think we would have a hell of a lot more registered users just wanting a ride as opposed to racing.

I guess i'll just continue to piss off the police by riding around kicking over letterboxes and smashing off car mirrors.

[liebeknecht]

i think a new thread may be in order :)

[Flash]

I have chased up insurance as for us as a private entity for a one off track day and it cant be done.
We would need to do it as a club or for 12 months

[SM93]

i think mark makes a great point of getting riders to road race events. it def builds awareness. our class up is one of the most liked classes as it competitive from front to back. well could even see as many as 15+ bikes next round!!! its taken time. for a while there was only F3.

surely the rules for having track time and running races are fairly different??? I like the idea of approaching Harley club to take on another discipline.

Some really good ideas coming through!!

[Martin]

[quote="Muzzard"]Where are all the Victorian racers gone Martin?
You were there with Joe as a junior in 2003,
Why did they all sell bikes and move to different disciplines?

We were at all of Vic meetings including World round at Boadford Nov 02-- I got Joe and some of his mates up there to build the garages so it was something like World std. did we get thanked ? At the afterparty Darryl Hiddle (MA FIM world delegate) asked me for money to get in !!!!!!!!!!!
but didn't Shannon J show em the way ??
Most of those there, have (kids ) moved on to roadracing, adults have just grown up more and had kids etc etc
The next generation want to play
go road racing and dirt tracking, motard will come back
Even if it stays as a club day thing only it has to be the cheapest and simplest way to go roadracing there is--do you guys know the cost of crashing race bikes ?

[dangermouse1100]

So from my understanding, we need people to put up there hands and have a paid membership to vsmr or supermotoaus and the club is MA affiliated then we can approach the tracks. Happy to help out (fees) but the racing, maybe just as pit crew cause being last all the time gets old quick :lol:

[Muzzard]

Muzz, they used to hold Australian Championship Pocketbike racing at TT when it was the GPTC, surely this would have to have been an MA sanctioned event? Or is it only sanctioned up to a particular engine capacity like the situation we have at IKT.

It's sounding positive so far.

We had a SM race meeting there once too :shock:
It pissed down was a slippery as an all night hooker and we had the dirt section to slosh through too.
Justin rode his TTR600SM and would no doubt remember the day well :lol:

[Muzzard]

Did Neils point get ignored? I dont want to race. I just want to ride on a track without fear of a car coming the other way. I think we would have a hell of a lot more registered users just wanting a ride as opposed to racing.

I guess i'll just continue to piss off the police by riding around kicking over letterboxes and smashing off car mirrors.

Not at all Brendan.
Part of the affiliation also means we as a club would be able to issue rec licences and one day licences for track access through the MA system.
This is a mandatory at all ride days being administered / underwritten by M.A.
This effectively gives you some form of legal footing in the event of an accident.
When we eventually get onto other tracks for practice you will already have access to licensing from within.
We will no doubt have a shit load more practice / come and try days before any racing anyway.

[Muzzard]

I have chased up insurance as for us as a private entity for a one off track day and it cant be done.
We would need to do it as a club or for 12 months

Back to the Club Affiliation Association thread ... ;)
Yeah look,
I've been down all these roads and a few times as I like to be thorough.




OK lets canvas the thought of becoming an annexure of the Harley Club.
I get along quite well with Pete Hern he is familiar with what I have been doing at TT for the last few years.
I can sure come to the meeting with you Mark as a bit of a delegation of sorts to help answer any questions,
But let me speak to Pete tomorrow on the phone and see what the behind the scenes consensus might be ;)

[SM93]

nice work boys!! seems like a good way to go

[BEDO]

I have chased up insurance as for us as a private entity for a one off track day and it cant be done.
We would need to do it as a club or for 12 months

What was the premium and excess for the day event flash then I can work with the cost of a ambo for the day to be on site and also the cost of track hire. Was there a number of members involved in the size of the club.
I need the core based membership to make this a affiliated club and again there is only 10 or so discussing this thread all I've done up till now is watch it evolve...

Again Nerb brought up the issue of JUST SOMEWHERE TO GO TO RIDE without the loss of licence. There is only a select few that could afford to race and afford to crash a expensive moto... So is this for a good time day out or racing for sheep stations....

I would see the club formed with at least 50 paying members just for the fun ride days but again how many would turn up every fun day the die hard same ten then it would not be cost effective for anyone...
This is why the Sth Morang Track works because it's cost effective for the group base and the diehard ten to twenty...

I'm not putting a downer on things just stating the basic facts to all....

[Wobbly]

You are quite correct Ian. Hence why it may also be worth investigating whether we can go through another club who may be willing to share resources and share costs.

[SM93]

i think thats why an affliation with another club will help. At our track days we have scooters, small roadies, juniors etc

[Muzzard]

TT works Ian because its there and able to be used.
Whether they take advantage of it or not is each individuals choice.
Like you said Ian there are those like Brendan,
The greater majority that is that just want to be able to rip it up with Mr Plod coming along for the ride too.
I can again canvas the NT example which runs very well without M.A fucking everything up all the time.

Without a specific Club base the Sport will only just keep its head above water and be the odd bike in with other Clubs.
Harley Club is the best option IMO through InterClub racing and general longevity.
Sure there is Hartwell too,
My experience with Hartwell is that it can be a bit too 'official' at times.
Just my experience though.


Is it just that the newbies think they have nothing to offer being new into this scene?
Everyone is entitled to the opinion and we invite input from all and everyone concerning this issue.
If you have a thought concerning this please get involved.
No one will shit can your enthusiasm ;)

[Flash]

Is it just that the newbies think they have nothing to offer being new into this scene?
Everyone is entitled to the opinion and we invite input from all and everyone concerning this issue.
If you have a thought concerning this please get involved.
No one will shit can your enthusiasm ;)


I agree Muzz!

[Fazio]

im an absolute noob to motard riding. hell i havent even had a go with the road wheels yet! but im really keen to get out there and have a go.. (not race yet) just have a burn without losing the licence.

im willing to help if theres something i can do..

[HyperGez]

I am new and dead set on the motard scene too and will be at TT when ever i can. Not to make excuses, I work two weekends on and two off so getting there is sometimes a little difficult. I also spend alot of time off road to hone the skills and because it's just so damn fun :D But I will be there when possible.
I am also hoping to be racing next year, just having 'husky' issues atm. Am also holding off on joining any club for now as i would rather hand over $ here if VSMR goes official. But I'll join the Harley club if I need to.

[Flash]

I know how you feel G-man I was working 1 on and 1 off, and the on's were always the days people were riding at TT!

[Woolf555]

The best way to ensure a good turnout is to run just a few events each year, at least initially, because no matter which way we go about getting the use of the track, its gonna cost quite a bit. Something like the last weekend ride at TT which had such a good turnout because it was planned for months ahead and had everyone talking about it and allowing interstate guys to plan for it. If there was a couple of ride days a year at a good facility like this Gippsland one, the snowball effect would soon start and more and more people would have a go at this motard thing, then allowing for more ride days (hopefully :) ).

Back on the track licence issue, if we were allowed to use this track, and once we had MA affiliation, we could apply ourselves to get the track licenced under MA. Would cost around the $350 mark and they'd send someone out to check runoff areas, start grids, track width etc etc and make sure it complied. It states on the form that the cost for a supermoto track is by negotiation, probably because of the temporary nature of a lot of supermoto tracks/events in the past like Calder, stadium car parks etc.

[Flash]

Good suggestions there Dean!
Maybe we should start a thread on a day in December now!

[BennyV]

Hey Guys. I'm new to this site, Joined a while ago but never really looked into it.
I have ridden the Haunted hills track, spent a whole day there with a mate on another motard. Heaps of fun.
The track is only about 20mins from my place (only about 2 mins from where I used to live) and is situated just across the paddock from the Blue Rock MX club's Motorcross track (if u've been there).
Getting on the track (un-officially wasn't too bad as the track was new and it was a case of who u knew. But to hire out the track, officially as a practice day, it'd be a simple case of having an affiliated motorcycling vic club to get a practice day permit, and all the participants would need is a one day licence at $45 each. Plus the split up of the cost of the track hire. The only thing with this is an MA accredited official would have to be there as well as a level 2 first aid. Both are easy to find, if u know where to look. Im a member of Traralgon MCC (past Prez) and have spoken to the current Prez and he would be all for it if we could get the numbers to keep costs down.
So if people are keen let me know! I will post this in another thread too.

[Flash]

Hey Benny great first post!
I think there will be a few here who will commit!

[Wobbly]

Vote one for best new post of, well, ever actually :up:

I'd be in it for sure - what sort of $$ are we talking for track hire?

Would be great just to be able to run a simple, non-competitive prac day :D

[MarkeeMark]

We could definately put it to the Harley Club to get the permit for us.

[Muzzard]

You have a PM BennyV ;)

[BennyV]

Thanks guys! ha ha.
Whats a PM?
I'll find out more next week. Being a Friday might and still a million degrees outside it might be hard to get any sort of answer today.
Any MCC could get the permit as long as they can supply the MA official etc. The only other thing is I think that the riders might have to become a member of the club which has taken out the permit. In the past we did have day memberships (cheap) of things like that. (not sure if that can still be done). But will find out. I hope to catch up and meet some of u guys at a TT at Sth Morang soon.

[Woolf555]

PM = private message. Check your forum email.

From memory of organising practice days when I was Seymour MCC secretary you could ride a practice day as a member of another club. We used to let other northern region club members ride our practice days, but that may have been some sort of prior arrangement thing, I can't remember now. Like you say, organising the MA official and level 2 first aid was usually pretty easy.

Traralgon's a great MX track by the way Benny, one of my favourites. I've raced there during the gippys and thoroughly enjoyed the day ;)

[HyperGez]

This all sounds very positive. I'll watch for the results. Good work guys. :up:

[Flash]

I'm going to be joining 2 MX clubs this year so I'm easy!

[SM93]

we know ur easy Ash

[Muzzard]

OK
Have had a bit of a discussion today regards this.
As it stands interest is being expressed at a motard day and run as a practice.
Initially we are sorting jurisdictions over who controls what and what we can and cannot do access wise being motorcycles on a CAMS track.
Several people behind the scenes are working towards this and again it will require membership of an M.A affiliated motorcycle club and licensing wise TBA.
Insurance will be an issue to address of course but once other details are in.

Same can be said for Bairnsdale but focus initially into Gippsland is Haunted Hills for practice.

[MarkeeMark]

Spoke to Pete Hern from the Harley Club of Vic tonight on my way home and mentioned about getting the permit thru them and he said it shouldn't be a problem.
I'm going to go to the next club meeting(just missed the last one) on the last tuesday of each month so February 24th is next.
So pic a date fellas and we can apply for a permit.
Harley Club Membership is only $44 annually.
You'll also need a one event license if you don't have a valid MA license. They are around $45 I think from memory.

[Muzzard]

We have a bit of discussion happening with another Club regards the running of the days at HH Mark.
I'll get onto you in the next few fays regards that.
Harley Club focus would be better utilised at the Broadford Crcuit IMO being home track to start with along with other matters concerning Broadford and the impending changes.
Not saying we still cant do any HH days with Harley Club,
What I am saying is that talks are well underway to having us on there real soon but under another umbrella.
Its being hashed out ATM as to Club memberships being transferable on the day as such like an invited Club would be.
This means any Club member but also nominated here will get the access on a MA licence the category to yet be determined.
The track is administered by CAMS and has no MA inspection done yet either to issue permit for motorcycles.
Its narrow only 6M of surface and that could be an issue yet.

More about this as it is to hand through the week to come.

[Wobbly]

We'll need to get our shit together and get a firm date then. We need committed numbers beforehand and people to pre-pay for the event, as we will have overhead costs in getting the permit arranged, MA official, first aid reps, etc...

[Muzzard]

As soon as date is available from the Club there we will be informed.
In the meantime the behind the scenes stuff to get us access is still taking place.
The managing Club for the circuit is being approached as to the lease cost on a daily basis and once thats in and figures are worked as to viability against hire etc we will proceed to issuing date and acquiring permits through Bens contacts within Traralgon MCC.
Marshals and first aid are already organised.
All being well we should have progressed significantly towards this by the end of the week as I said.

Yes committed numbers and prepaid will be the way we will be going with this and 20 riders would be sought IMO to make it viable.

[Martin]

Its narrow only 6M of surface and that could be an issue yet.


6 metres wide is ok for cars let alone bikes, anyone know how wide Broadford is ?

[shitbmxrider]

Ooh, this is all getting exciting...

Looks as tho I am getting into the scene at the right times :D

[Muzzard]

Its narrow only 6M of surface and that could be an issue yet.


6 metres wide is ok for cars let alone bikes, anyone know how wide Broadford is ?
Broadford is 10m wide.
All these things will be addressed before any permit is issued.
M.A have to be involved and that means track inspection and certification for use.

[Flash]

AN international spec Kart track is 8mtrs wide too!

[SM93]

6m might be okay for track days. i am sure northam was no wider than 6m!

[MarkeeMark]

No probs Muzz. Just let me know if we need anything and I'll bring it up at the next meeting.

[Muzzard]

There has been some developments on this issue.
I expect to be able to give you an update with some more concise detail in the coming days.

My thoughts are to push into this issue with an 'Appointed Representative' to deal with it specifically.
That is make decisions based on a common sense approach with good understanding of the issues surrounding Motorsport / Motorcycle racing behind the scenes necessary to have the bikes on the track.
Obviously Markee is a prime candidate should he put the hand up having already vested some effort and time on our behalf with the Harley Club and suggest strongly that he would work towards the better interests of us all.
Ben, our new member but not new to motorcycle administration and living close by, would be a great nominee as well or even better a combination of the 2.

Would the general consensus here accept that as reasonable and support him / them as such?

[MarkeeMark]

I'm all for it.

[Muzzard]

Got the time spare then as far as I am concerned your nominated :D
Anyone to second it?
Please please God make it Ben ;)

[MarkeeMark]

I'm happy to work with Ben on Haunted Hills for sure.

[Muzzard]

He is keenly gathering information as we speak and will be along shortly to fill us in with the progress ;)
If he wishes to continue on and help arrange it I can guarantee you all a great days sprinting worthy of more than the odd YouTube link 8)

The backdrop for HH is quite nice and very conducive to professional photography as a hint *

[BennyV]

Hey Muzz, I'm happy to work in with Mark, cos of course many hands makes light work, but it would have been nice if u'd have asked if I'd like to take up the reigns on this topic also. I know Mark started this thread B4 I was a member of VSMR, but it's seems that i've made more progress in the past 4 days in getting access on to 2 circuits (including HH) than anyone else in the past 4 months. Sooo much easier dealing with the committee guys when ur a local and know people in the know, and can talk to them face to face.
Just a quick update then as it stands. We (VSMR) in conjunction with an MA affiliated club (TMCC) would have no problems in holding events @ 2 tracks down here. With discussions underway if dirt sections can be added (for both tracks). Very positive reactions from both.
Talk is cheap - actions shout volumes!

I'm not in it for any glory, I just luv to ride and race! And anything I can do to advance that in Vic or even the Gippsland area I'm all for it. BV

[MarkeeMark]

There has been some developments on this issue.
I expect to be able to give you an update with some more concise detail in the coming days.

My thoughts are to push into this issue with an 'Appointed Representative' to deal with it specifically.
That is make decisions based on a common sense approach with good understanding of the issues surrounding Motorsport / Motorcycle racing behind the scenes necessary to have the bikes on the track.
Obviously Markee is a prime candidate should he put the hand up having already vested some effort and time on our behalf with the Harley Club and suggest strongly that he would work towards the better interests of us all.
Ben, our new member but not new to motorcycle administration and living close by, would be a great nominee as well or even better a combination of the 2.

Would the general consensus here accept that as reasonable and support him / them as such?

Hey Ben not knocking your efforts at all mate but Muzz did ask you and me both in the above quoted post.

Let's chat mate, and fill me in on where you're at and what you would like me to do to help out.
Like you said you've done more in 4 days than me in 4 months so I'd be happy to liase with you on behalf of VSMR and help at the same time.

Cheers Mark
Mobile # 0410 308 309

[BennyV]

No worries mate, I've sent u a PM with details etc.

[Flash]

Great work Ben!
Happy to second Mark no probs but might be easier for Mark to work with Ben!

[Muzzard]

Maybe a misunderstanding Ben as my impression after our telephone conversation was that you were more than happy to move in the better interests of all.
I also made mention in that conversation that Mark had done some work with the Harley Club but that we considered that assistance more beneficial in the Broadford push.
I'm of the same opinion,
Many hands do make light work,
Being local and previous friendships make the opening of the doors there easier than it has been for me after having them slammed all the time because of the previous Supermotard Promoter here in Victoria and the sour taste left for many.
No glory hunting here either mate,
Just want track access that I have pushed for along with many others for so long.

Good news all the same and as usual I will support any thing you come up with ;)

[MarkeeMark]

Guys I spoke to Ben today and offered my help as a liaison and we had a good chat so I will be actively involved in getting access to Haunted Hills from here on in with the lead the Ben has so graciously taken.
We will keep you posted with an upcoming date.

Cheers

[Flash]

Sweet good on you guys!

[HyperGez]

:idea: Sounds like a good excuse for an overnighter.

[Muzzard]

Watch this space over the next 24 hours! :P

[petersteelefreestyle]

I have a question for everyone, what would a track like this cost to make?

[Muzzard]

A lot Pete :P

[Nerb]

Have you got the land Peter? Cause i can arrange some cheap asphalt.

[Wobbly]

If someone had land I'm sure a number of people might be interested in sticking money into building a track. But its not a cheap thing to do once you factor in all the costs involved in planning etc required to get any sort of accreditation...

[Muzzard]

Today Ben, Neil, Mark and myself travelled to HH to discuss the issue of some motards being able to use the facility and scope it for suitability.
Glad to say we also took bikes and rode several sessions :P
Very good track for sure.
Not 100% suited to motards but shit its a hillclimb based track in some extremely steep hills.
There was members of the Historic racing club there today and that was the opening to have a couple of bikes brought in for assessment.
It passed by my standards but apparently MA doesn't agree and will not issue a permit to use it
' its not as wide as Phillip Island'
FFS men get your shit together at MA its a hillclimb track and certainly not a comparison to PI which the idiots think is a benchmark :?

All the same well worth the 10 hours drive round trip
The track is fantastic and suggest a few more laps / sessions would find some faster lines.
Its with the effort of Ben locally that allowed us the invitation to attend and that of short notice.
Worked hard on our behalves and thanks go out to him for that along with Mark for doing a lot of ground work to get this all happening.

We had some dialogue with the track operator and suggest if we go softly through M.V we might get a hearing.
There are only a couple of issues of course MA has,
Runoff as usual but common sense and an understanding of what motorcycles do when you ride them might have helped out the MA Inspector.
We are not riding MotoGP and dont need 4 kms of runoff anywhere.
The layout of the track is such that it is its own speed trap with such tight and undulating sections that defy the runoff argument.
Bikes dont slide uphill too well as a rule and there is only 2 downhill sections that would be any issue in any case and both have quick fix solutions from my perspective.
Same with the others there today but MA dont agree again as usual.


There is a heap of nice video coming showing some of the layout
Ben had a mounted unit so it hopefully will show you all how steep some sections are.

My old LC4 got a workout on the rear tyre today for sure squirming and sliding its way up the hills under power especially on the off cambers.
Some healthy pace was being achieved by Ben with the RR style on his CRF and Mark wasnt far behind.
Its a track for a lighter bike that an LC4 without a doubt but I aint grizzlin'
No doubt the others are itching to post it up and I'm knackered.

Summary IMO,
Sit tight on this until we can get a foot into M.V / M.A through Club registration and in the meantime ride another Gippsland track ...

Bairnsdale
Did I mention we have an invitation to use Bairnsdale,
You know the one,
The kart track with the dirt section still there and able to be used :D

Ben has some more details on that as well,
New thread specific to it in the coming days so watch for that!

[Wobbly]

Agree, from my perspective the track was an excellent layout and quite entertaining, but would prove somewhat challenging for competition due to width. However, if pursued from a non-competitive / practice standpoint initially, there may be ground to be made. Would make an excellent track day circuit for sure, and is about 1.5 hours from the eastern burbs in Melbourne.

I've got some pics and a few vids up on the following gallery link -

http://vsmr.net/albums/album36/P1000281.highlight.jpg (http://www.vsmr.net/modules.php?set_albumName=album36&op=modload&name=Gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php)

[SM93]

it looks as wide as any kart track we race on and wider than northam was

[Daws]

Well done guys, it sure looks like a great track.

Perhaps MA will license it on a class basis? The Ipswich kart track is sanctioned by MA but only for Supermotos, junior roadrace and up to 250cc 4 stroke multis.

[Muzzard]

Thats the line I intend to persue through MV / MA Paul ;)

[MarkeeMark]

Awesome track like Muzz and Neil have said. The elevation changes are fantastic.

Jov the track would be wide enough but in some corners there just isn't enough run off especially because of the rise and fall of the circuit.
It is a hill climb so it's made for one car to go round with very little room for error. We heard stories on the day of cars being rolled and punted into the cut out of the hillside just 5-10 meters off the track!
They put in a chicane to slow us down before we went out and we were asked to tone it done half way thru the day!
Motards love chicanes, both Ben and myself gave them a good nudge on the way thru at least once.

I will back what Neil said and say that it would be ok for a practice/come and try day but not suited for racing.
MA/MV just need to get their thinking straightened up and approve the track!
http://vsmr.net/albums/album36/P1000300.sized.jpg
The tyres you see in the background are not car tyres but full size tractor tyres! These do nothing for impact absorption other than it would be like hitting a concrete wall on a bike!

[SM93]

seems like a weird concept to build a track like that. after seeing the track they approved at Northam i reckon anything could be sanctioned by MA.

[MarkeeMark]

Also this was my first outing with my new slipper clutch, wow what a diference. I was still 'fanning' the clutch lever as such but no where near as much. For my riding it will be a great improvement.

[speaksgeek]

Any ideas how it would go for the mini-motards re: length & top speeds?

Bairnsdale looks pretty good, if somewhat far away.
I'd certainly be up for a trip to either, Bairnsdale might be better for an overnighter.

I'm always keen for for practice style days, not being much of racer.

[devo]

seems like a weird concept to build a track like that. after seeing the track they approved at Northam i reckon anything could be sanctioned by MA.
+1 A lot of the plastic barriers were 2/3 filled with water by the council! They weren't going anywhere.

[MarkeeMark]

seems like a weird concept to build a track like that. after seeing the track they approved at Northam i reckon anything could be sanctioned by MA.
+1 A lot of the plastic barriers were 2/3 filled with water by the council! They weren't going anywhere.

I'd say it would boil down to the track inspector and his/her like of Supermoto, which side of bed they got out of and the way they interpret the rule book when it comes to track design and spec.

[BennyV]

I down loaded the video last night off the camera and had a bit of a watch. Not too bad a bit shakey and could have been angled up a lil bit more but not bad. The first few minutes is just me riding around but then there is a few minutes where all 4 of us are riding together. I'll try to shorten it up a bit so it can be viewed here. Either thru a link to youtube or Neil putting it straight on the site.
Was a fun day. 10 or so laps definatly takes it out of you!
And pushing ur bike up that bloody hill when ur a dick and run out of fuel is bloody hard work too! (ha ha ha - less pit racing and more putting fuel in the bike next time)

[Muzzard]

My thoughts regards competition on this circuit would be to throw in the 'red herring' and run it as a 'sprint' meet.
1 standing and 2 flying laps and aggregate the times to an average,
2 bikes at a time.
Its about a minute a lap if you were really on it so there would be a constant marshalling process and easy to control ...
Set a benchmark for motorcycle sprinting and motards.
Motard speeds there are reasonable but not ridiculous.
I think Mark said a little over 100KPH on what is a curved straight was recorded by GPS yesterday.
Less opportunity to bang bars and needing runoff area being a tight track in sections.
We hooted around as a group of 4 yesterday quite well so see no real objection that couldn't be overcome with M.V / M.A to run a 'control' day to come and see what we are about.
As a registered an affiliated Club we can enter into those negotiations quite readily and suggest that is where this all hangs ATM ...

Save and except of course for another hosting Club bring us in on
the 'Q T' and we pay a day membership to that Club,
Along with a day licence fee to comply under M.A.
This doesnt discount the day going ahead because cost gets too high.
I can assure you all it would be under what Broadford would cost for the day.
Its worth persuing IMO
That Club would supply all the necessary permits etc and we would be levied accordingly through the track fees on the day.

[Flash]

Great work guys!!
If you could get sprints there or even just as a practice track that would be great.

[Wobbly]

Muzz, I think that's a great idea - timed sprints set off in a staggered fashion would be much easier to justify from a track purpose you would think.

[Muzzard]

And while we were there the other day I spoke the old bloke who owns this

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/KTM-LC4-640-Motard-01_W0QQitemZ110355418579QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Moto rcycles?hash=item110355418579&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A1|39%3A1|240%3A1318

I wouldnt mind the pipe off it :P

[Wobbly]

Offer to slide him a few bucks and swap it for yours :)

[Wobbly]

For those interested, here is some video from the day, courtesy of BennyV, taken from Ben's CRF. The camera flattens out the track a little but still gives an impression of the elevation change. You also get to see me holding him up rather horribly :lol2:

Warning - this is about a 250mb download...

http://vsmr.net/files/Hillclimb-Track-Feb-2009.avi

[Muzzard]

Hopefully I can watch this one.
I got to watch the last ones once and then it kept giving me some crazy error message.
Bastard ...

[Muzzard]

Yeah spoke too friggin' soon didnt I :roll:

'Windows Media Player cannot play the file. The Player might not support the file type or might not support the codec that was used to compress the file.'

[Wobbly]

Your missing the codec to play the video muzz.

Download divx (http://www.divx.com/) and try playing using it, or using media player after you've installed it (which will also install the 4CC codecs).

[Muzzard]

What is it with just videos from this site?
Its the only one that wont play anything.
I dont think I have ever watched any video uploaded to here.
Usually through YouTube or another host sure ... :roll:

Still wont play after the downloaded DivX thingy.
Post it on YouTube so I can see it please :?

[Wobbly]

No idea muzz, but the problem is somewhere on your end. Whether it is uploaded to this site or not doesn't make a difference, its sitting up on there just the same way it was recorded. After you've downloaded it the file could have come from the site or directly from the cd it wouldn't make a difference. Make sure you're right clicking and doing save as and getting the whole file first as well.

Does anyone else have any problems with playing the file?

I've uploaded it to youtube but had to chop off the last couple of minutes of footage.

YouTube - Hillclimb Track Feb 2009

[Muzzard]

Yeah stuffed if I know either mate.
It took until 2.30 this morning to finally get it to load on the DivX player :roll: But I did see it.
Cool 8)

[SMC690]

Muzz, in future you could also try VLC player, it plays just about anything & has plenty of 'built in' codecs.

http://www.videolan.org/vlc/

[Muzzard]

Thanks Justin ;)

[Wobbly]

GomPlayer is another good one as well

http://www.gomlab.com/eng/GMP_download.html

[Nerb]

I use VLC also.

The track looks awesomely tight. Looks plenty wide enough. Looks bloody perfect for us. I hope it all comes together.

[BennyV]

Cool thanks Neil.
Hey would you be able to start a new thread with just the link to the videos, (the site one and youtube). More people might get a look at it that way. Just a question.

[Wobbly]

I think someone started a video thread somewhere already :?:

[devo]

Looks awesome. I want.

[Daws]

That track looks like a lit of fun. Is it wide enough for a race?

[Wobbly]

Debateable ... the track is wide enough, but the runoff probably not so. Muzz raised the idea of timed sprints, which probably has a lot of merit as they have the timing and entry/exit setup for timed sprints already.

[Flash]

It would be a foot in the door to competition at least!
I'm sure we could arrange enough men and also someone on here with some earth moving equipment to make the run off better but they need to be open to it also.

[Wobbly]

Exactly - but we should have a real proposition running practice days and timed sprints to begin with. Just need to make the thrust :)

[MarkeeMark]

The track needs to be approved by M.A. otherwise no bikes will be allowed on.
M.V. approved it but someone from the lovely M.A. with no clue cancelled the permit at the last minute.
So untill that happens we;ve really got no avenue to ride there.

[Wobbly]

Do we know what is being done about MA? Is there an appeals process and is someone actively pursuing it? Are the classic guys pursuing it or do they not think it worthwhile?

[SMC690]

The gremlins are in my interwebs tonight, if I try and download the avi I get a 226Kb file through both Firefox & Chrome.

[SMC690]

22km's from the track is 90acres that everyone is welcome to camp on. :)

[Flash]

Sweet!!

[shitbmxrider]

That track is awesome!

[timmy]

I REALLY hope we get the all clear on riding at Haunted Hills, my old man holds the 2 door rear wheel drive sedan lap record there, I really really want to beat his time on the tard :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

here is an on board vid of his old record lap, Im pretty sure he's beaten it by helf a sec or so since.

YouTube - haunted hills hillclimb 13/12/2008

[timmy]

ps sorry about the vid the colour is a bit funny and you get a better view of his helmet than the track but you get the idea :):)

[Muzzard]

We are still working on this.
So far there has been no reply from MV regards the reasoning around the cancellation of permits.
I will resend the email and see if it doesnt get a response.
It could be the email has not been received ...

This is an ongoing issue that the new Club base will be able to follow up on through the Racing Committeee.
Although it will take some time to gather enough riders for a Club race day,
Practice days need permits just the same.

As I mentioned previously
Bairnsdale will have us there now for a practice day.
You would need to be buying a one day licence / membership to be eligible to ride though ATM.
After Club affiliation the membership aspect is covered ...


Timmy
Torana is it mate?

[timmy]

nope BMW M3 E36 :)

[devo]

Close. :D

[BennyV]

ha ha ha! Yeah, NOT! lol
Hey timmy seems ur dad's lap is about 1:00 or 59sec from timing point to timing point, and there is a few seconds between them if u run the track continuously, and i lapped it the first time i went there in 1:02 i think (full lap) so u might have a chance of beating his time from point to point. But standing start for the car too, ohhhh geez that'd be close or tough! lol
BV

[shitbmxrider]

I REALLY hope we get the all clear on riding at Haunted Hills, my old man holds the 2 door rear wheel drive sedan lap record there, I really really want to beat his time on the tard :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

here is an on board vid of his old record lap, Im pretty sure he's beaten it by helf a sec or so since.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSY-eVs-eAs


Timmy,


Is your dad Alan aka morerevsm3/morebeers?

[ninjadrifter]

Timmy, you may know my next door neighbours, they drive a sweet little orange mark 1 escort. The young one, Ry, he's got some talent for a kid. Haven't been out for a look at the new track since it's been finished, but from what i've seen, it'll be great for the smaller 'tards, maybe even the 2t's. I know i'll be getting off my arse and getting a bike if this goes ahead, that's for sure.