backing it in

[Flash]

Just thought I'd put my experiance over the last year down.
I have tried since I bought my bike a year ago to back it in from day 1.

1. started using compession locking easy!

2. got the hang of 1 then started using the clutch and using brakes only, to improve brak control. But I struggled with no consistancy.

3. dicovered it is a shit load easier to do it from higher speeds than from lower speeds. A shit load!!!

With the 3 above in mind I can now do it pretty consistantly, not like Eddie Seel but I'm getting it.

also found that competition rubber is easier to do it with also.

Any one else have any tips advise put it down.

[jakestein]

Turn earlyier then you need to I turn about 5 metres earlyier when I try and get it out seems to help me.

I put all my weight on the outside peg.

I use lots of rear brake quickly then take it off.

Saying this I will have to re-learn it all with these new tyres my old ones were falling apart, Murray will tell ya how fecked they were(spinning 1st and 2nd in the dry)

[Muzzard]

There was comment passed regarding the tyre on the front of Jakes bike was in fact the very first tyre I had my motard wheels fitted with..
Now 28 months old and at least 8000km all up, not bad for Pilot Race soft.
120/60-17 so lower profile does aid the longevitity when fitted to street motards. (Wheelstanding outta corners or on direction changes not recommended on this profile. Rim bead will contact road surface on greater lean angle!)
The rear was absolutely rooted with canvas exposed in the centre for a strip at least 150mm long. :roll:


For me I use a combination of brakes only coupled to hanging on, leaning, steering, and at entry to the corner a quick gear selection with clutch to match the engine RPM to road speed and off the brakes, roll on ...
I do not touch the clutch during the sliding process and attempt to run as hard into the RPM range as possible given my wide ratio and small bore engine to keep the RPM steady throughout the slide as it decelerates.
This is where slipper clutches have an advantage whereby the gearbox can be operated at almost any road speed into a downward shift without engine lockup, therefore allowing basically for preselecting the gears before the corner and makes it more like driving a bus.
Didnt Commer Trucks as early as 1940 have preselecter gearboxes?
Nice addition to the tech aspect but at a price tag many street riders would find disconcerting.
I have ridden a YZF 450 4 speed with a slipper and was an outstanding performing ride accordingly, but took out the thinking, and for me thats where my riding enjoyment comes from.
Attention to what you are doing, as you will see when you come up here for the Post GP ride, No friggin room for mistakes or heads up arses, Its a friggin' great jump into oblivion on one side, and the stone wall from hell on the other for instance.

Anyway just go real fast, jump on the brakes like you have to stop now! and then start turning later then you thought you should and see what happens :lol: ...

[ZuluFoot]

Hello Gurls, long time no speak, hope your all well down on the mouldy biscuit.

For what its worth, I counter steer to help get the back end out, works a treat, once your in the slide it goes on its own. I dont use the rear break at all, just heavy on the front, counter steer and feather the clutch, its truly a great sensation.

PS, we booked our flights today, arrive on 7 December for 2 weeks hols and to get our visas stamped (Then you'll have us for good soon after :lol: )

[Wobbly]

Good to see you're back ZF, was wondering where you'd been hiding! :up: We should have cranked out some good weather for you by December too 8)

[Flash]

ZF you better make sure you look us up or don't bother coming back :D :up:

[Sibbo]

Well for thoes of you hardcore people who ride strokers. I have to get reasonably hard on the rear brake to make it get loose in the ass. You must be as hard as you can be on the front and then modulate the slide with the rear brake and as Ash said, the fast you go the better it seems to be.

That could be cos you are more out of control (well it is for me), specially when you follow a fast guy into a corner and try and stop where he does!!!

With the 2-stroke, it does not matter what I do with the gears, only the rear brake will induce a slide.

[ZuluFoot]

ZF you better make sure you look us up or don't bother coming back :D :up:

Look you up?

Hell, I'm gona hunt you down chaps ;)

[Flash]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Sibbo]

You will never see Ash, as he is always....um....pulling himself at home, even I do more motarding riding tham him and I DON'T have a motard. Honda, CR450X?! Anyone? Not asking for much.

[Flash]

Really!!!
A Honda. You disappoint [-(

[Sibbo]

up ur ass! I will ride any free bike.....offers anyone?

[Wobbly]

I have an old steel framed, 3 speed racer you could have a crack on ;)

[Flash]

I wouldn't Neil he'll crash that as well :lol:

[Sibbo]

you betta believe it! But at least I would be out there RIDING!!! I have had some good push bike crashes in my time, all my fault mind you!

Wait a second...."KING CRASH" saying that I will crash?! hmmm...I do believe there is some story about 1st gear and rubber side up?

[Flash]

I ride six days a week rain hail and shine, and you, how often do you ride again!!! :twisted:
I've ended up in hospital after a few downhill mtb races myself. :oops:

[Muzzard]

Come on now you two,
Your like my kids,
Should I take to you two with a stick?
Besides I can pass you both, up or downhill. :lol:

[Flash]

Any time you want to race me on a mt bike I'll be there!! :lol: :lol:

[Sibbo]

I ride six days a week rain hail and shine, and you, how often do you ride again!!! :twisted:
U talking to me?

I ride to work every day (well 5) and MX on Sat, then possibly stunts on sunday :D

Muzz if I ever see you with a stick, I am running.

[Flash]

all right then. All this time I thought you were a poof! :lol:
Were do you do the stunts?

Agree with the stick thing too

[Sibbo]

moorabbin and dandy south.

[Wobbly]

Fight, fight, fight!

Allright, everyone gather back behind the shelter shed at recess! ;)

[dicky]

Fight?
It sounds like the two poofs have kissed and made up.
Now what will we do for entertainment?

dicky.
<lets all pick on Neil>

[Flash]

I though you liked poofs! :lol:

[shane]

come on guys read the message subject....BACKING IT IN...enough talk about poofs .what type of board is this ?????

[scozzie]

Hear hear I agree Dude.

I for one am confused as to how you can reliably back it in every time.

Shane, you race, how do you do it? Or don't you even think about it now.

To me it seems like such a reverse of everything I've practiced over the years. I'll get the hang of it I'm sure. Practice practice practice.

[Muzzard]

No a friggin murmur from the boys room now Shane,
Size does matter!...

Backing it in,
As there are a few smoker riders here like Brett who will be buried with his beloved Motul Monsta, I thought I might add a true but funny story about backing in dirt bikes on bitumen.
When I was younger and living in Melbourne, I worked in Watsonia and lived in Coolaroo for a while and rode a 2 stroke dirt bike daily on the road.
One afternoon I was coming along Grimshaw St in Bundoora about to get to the Plenty Rd junction when the lights started to change to yellow.
So being the 'I'm not waiting here sort of bloke', I gassed it up to the lights and started sliding the sucker into the intersection when all of a sudden lost both wheels at once and went down to the peg scraping lowside you would expect.
Spearing myself through the other cars turning next to me, I went the full distance across the intersection and clobbered the kerb with both wheels at what I think was about 20kph and the friggin bike just stood up in the very bottom of the gutter edge and went down Plenty Rd and round into Settlement Rd like I had never been on the ground. Sort of felt like a slot car! :lol:
I had other blokes riding with me as 5 of us travelled together daily and they were all pissing themselves as we rode down Settlement Rd home with my trouser leg and sleeve ripped outta my jungle greens..
So 2 stroke motards have always been fun, but not as forgiving in the backing in stakes as the 4 bangers.

[shane]

its hard to put in to words ,i use very little rear brake as it gets way to sideways and that makes for a slow lap time ,its more down body position and counter steering for me,i used to use a lot of rear brake on the 250 GP bike then when i went to superbikes they coming into the corners sideways ,but swapping to the supermoto it gets to so far out so now its mainly front brake ,clutch and body position .i have got a xr250 with 17's on with standard brakes, that i ride to to gym to to rip into town on, and that is on the stops sideways coming into the corners but i mainly use the front brake and clutch.
sorry i am not much help but it is real easy to do but it takes a while to do faster lap times ,i main reason i do it is to take the weight off the front as it cant tuck under if its counter steering,and lets face motor cross bike arnt made to push the front like a road bike .

[Flash]

its hard to put in to words ,i use very little rear brake as it gets way to sideways and that makes for a slow lap time ,its more down body position and counter steering for me,i used to use a lot of rear brake on the 250 GP bike then when i went to superbikes they coming into the corners sideways ,but swapping to the supermoto it gets to so far out so now its mainly front brake ,clutch and body position .i have got a xr250 with 17's on with standard brakes, that i ride to to gym to to rip into town on, and that is on the stops sideways coming into the corners but i mainly use the front brake and clutch.
sorry i am not much help but it is real easy to do but it takes a while to do faster lap times ,i main reason i do it is to take the weight off the front as it cant tuck under if its counter steering,and lets face motor cross bike arnt made to push the front like a road bike .

Like Jake said "taking notes" :up:
How do you use the clutch to slide?

[shane]

easy way to explain it is like a start ,you slip the clutch off the start to get away fast and keep the front wheel down.when you are coming into a corner about to hit your breaking point select your gear for the corner as you start to break with the front and cover the back some presure not standing on it doing skids, slowely let the clutch out to create more drag,that will bring the back out ,not far enough out let it out more .if its to far out pull the clutch back in a little ,once you have your slipper finger working you will have it....

[scozzie]

Aaah

Konichiwa (?)

Guess what I'll be practicing this weekend?

Thanks Shane.

[Tom]

You rock shane, i'll be practising that one too (when i get the bike back from the mechanic).

I've been struggling with this for ages. Just using brakes i seem to have no control and just using clutch i always get the back wheel "chatter" that ruins a good slide.

New technique sounds like a winner :up:

[Muzzard]

I find for the WRF and wet road conditions I can just blip the throttle on the entry to the corner and bang down a gear to set the slide in motion., then throttle and brake it through, and out the other side.
Because of the small cylinder and lower compression from the engine braking effect, the counter steer method wont cut it for me on a dry road.
Grab a big handful of front brake and that all changes though.

[Flash]

The rear wheel chatter comes from engine bracking alone I think. Correct me I'm wrong. I get chatter with the clutch out but none when I have the clutch in using only brakes.

[shane]

USE THE SLIPPER FINGER TO CONTROL THE CHATTER
if you had a little less engine brake it would not chatter so pull your clutch in a little

[Flash]

I'll try it on the race home!!

[Wobbly]

Slipper finger, I love it :up:

Pity I've got the coordination of a 3 legged goat after a night on the piss :oops: