08 dates finally out

[Martin]

Speaking to Sue Feeney-- Paul's wife from Husqvarna Aus
Don't know from whom or where on web yet but
R1 Qld Queens Birthday June
R2 Coffs Harbour July
R3 Vic ( ???)
R4 WA with a travel fund !!!!!!!

Will put up link when I find it or someone else will

[Flash]

At last some good news!!
A real OZ championship!!

[MarkeeMark]

Oh shit YEAH! I'm gonna be so broke by the end of this year!

[devo]

What's this about a travel fund Martin? Part of the round sponsorship or something else? Good news all round though, thanks for the update.

Practice at Coffs in May, anyone else keen?

[Muzzard]

Unless I find a bike to ride in the unlimited S1 class I'm out for this year.
My frame for the LC4 wont be sorted,
And I dont think the Benelli's will be here by then :?

[MarkeeMark]

What's this about a travel fund Martin? Part of the round sponsorship or something else? Good news all round though, thanks for the update.

Practice at Coffs in May, anyone else keen?
Details Please! :twisted:

[SM93]

let me know devo

[discobob]

At last some good news!!
A real OZ championship!!

What did you call the ASM events ? NSW, VIC, QLD

Well run and still only got enough support from manufactures to make sure it did not survive.

That is a silly statment, WA will cause problems as it did with road racing. All sounds good to start with untill you work out that aiffares, bike shipping,car hire etc will add up to around $2000 + normal racing costs, so approx $3500 - $4000. Ah but you could drive, yes you can $1500 in fuel, 1 1/2 weeks off work bla bla bla. I should know Ive done it before.

A travel assist program is good, again with road racing each privateer recieved $300, good but not going got get most Supermoto riders over line.
Supermoto is supposed to be affordable and they go and throw this at it. Same gos for 16.5" front wheels, this makes it more expensive for every one, Why ? Because a select few ie factory teams want to have an edge, then the rest need to follow to keep their percived edge. Thats fine but MA should not have allowed this rubish to take place. ( By the way we were the ones selling 16.5" excel rims when requested - yet I still called MA to tell them it was a bad idea and put in a submision to stop it, they did not listen to me though)
Supermoto championships should in my opinion also have a restriction on the quantity of tyres allowed one or to fronts and one or two rears. Not a control tyre just a limit.

By the time I finished racing Supermoto last year my equipment was worth more than my road race setup peviously, which is justy plain silly. Running cost were lower but not by as much as you would think.

Anyway Im going to get off the soap box now and just hope that the Supermoto organisers and rule makers relize what they have done and what will need to be done to secure its future, it should be great because it is one of the best spectator sports around. Time will tell.

Ben

[ZuluFoot]

We need a Vic championship, but before we do that we need a Vic track...

Where would the most suitable track be found?

[Flash]

At last some good news!!
A real OZ championship!!

What did you call the ASM events ? NSW, VIC, QLD

Well run and still only got enough support from manufactures to make sure it did not survive.

That is a silly statment, WA will cause problems as it did with road racing. All sounds good to start with untill you work out that aiffares, bike shipping,car hire etc will add up to around $2000 + normal racing costs, so approx $3500 - $4000. Ah but you could drive, yes you can $1500 in fuel, 1 1/2 weeks off work bla bla bla. I should know Ive done it before.

A travel assist program is good, again with road racing each privateer recieved $300, good but not going got get most Supermoto riders over line.
Supermoto is supposed to be affordable and they go and throw this at it. Same gos for 16.5" front wheels, this makes it more expensive for every one, Why ? Because a select few ie factory teams want to have an edge, then the rest need to follow to keep their percived edge. Thats fine but MA should not have allowed this rubish to take place. ( By the way we were the ones selling 16.5" excel rims when requested - yet I still called MA to tell them it was a bad idea and put in a submision to stop it, they did not listen to me though)
Supermoto championships should in my opinion also have a restriction on the quantity of tyres allowed one or to fronts and one or two rears. Not a control tyre just a limit.

By the time I finished racing Supermoto last year my equipment was worth more than my road race setup peviously, which is justy plain silly. Running cost were lower but not by as much as you would think.

Anyway Im going to get off the soap box now and just hope that the Supermoto organisers and rule makers relize what they have done and what will need to be done to secure its future, it should be great because it is one of the best spectator sports around. Time will tell.

Ben

I understand where your coming from I too have raced in everystate in OZ except for NT! Was in go karts though. How can it be an oz championship if it's just east coast?
The amount of guys racing in WA must almost out number the other states. If it was to be done properly you should ba able to drop 1 round.
I think they(MA) need to bring in a control class of 2! The cost of this sport are out of reach! Simple as that! I love the tyre idea but I think it needs to be 1 set per meeting!
I will never take anything away from Mark for doing what he has done! It has been the only thing our sport has had and he has done it with very little support.

I'm not sure how it all works but maybe "WE" need to start our own rules and regs and right up some classes where common sense prevails! Standard frames swing arms restricted wheel sizes tyres etc. It has worked in go karts extremely successfully for 40yrs, why not bikes!
If they bought in a class that 1 set of tyres (restricted and reasonably hard) stock frame, forks, triples, swing arms and maybe stock enignes with pipes i would start being a lot more serious about it!
I love racing but racing for a win! If I can't afford to be competitive I will go do something I can afford to!

We need more people (importers, people in the no and manufacturers) to take control and tell MA how it will be run.
Good to here your sticking up for the sport Ben and I hope you don't take my .02 personally!
Again just my .02

[Martin]

We had drop a round in 06, Troy took the win from Stuey on a countback of wins. Most people thought it unfair as Stu won final race.
I didn't mind control tyres (maxxis) and I don't mind limited tyres but I wouldn't support mass restrictions-- then it's just who can cheat best like go-karts. One of SM's greatest points is no rules and really if we all buy one or two more rims (16.5") that is not changing much. I'll prob keep 17" for wets as I have a few and s/h fronts from road racers are easy to come by. Whether we use 16.5 or 17 slicks is not a price issue.
Reekie may or may not have won because of his tyre fund but Aprilia and Husqvarna were beaten with more of everything. Remember Angus worked out of a van with his Dad not out of some big truck. Aprilia spent far more I'm sure. Ben, you may have spent more too but we never have. Our kit was and still is 2 sets wheels, 1 set brakes, some revalving and limited motor work. Very cheap racing compared to my road racing peers. Crash damage costs over the last 6 years--a big fat zero. Actually done more in MX. One roadracing crash can cost my tyre budget for a year.
re WA let's see what the fund is. if it ships our bikes to WA and all I have to do is buy a couple of plane tickets and hire or borrow a van--we're in. As Ben says $300 won't cut the mustard. Much cheaper to combine freight and pay for that.
I still can't find any more info, maybe someone from WA can chip in here.

[discobob]

One of SM's greatest points is no rules

And that is the basis of all the problems. The dirt track (I think) commitee dictates what happens in SM with out knowing what the effect of rule changes etc will be to cost etc. So a factory team submits a rule change eg 16.5" fronts and it just gets pushed thru.
Just having a couple of extra 16.5" fronts ( which you cant sell second hand) is not the point. They should not have been allowed in the first place. What did it achieve ? No other class of racing in Australia uses 16.5" rims not even superbikes Why ?
What it does do, is give the perception to the guy on a 17" front he has no chance of being competetive. Now you and I both know that someone who is 4 seconds off the leader is not going to notice a 16.5" rim but his perception is different.

Also dont forget when this rule first came in you could not buy 16.5" tyres in Australia.

Supermoto is cheap compared to road racing , as you rightly point out the crash damage bill is $0 comared to road racing but, when you compare the cost of switching from MX or off road the cost is to high to justify for these people.

I really do believe that one set of tyres is acceptable over 4 -5 races without any trouble. Only those who use super super soft qualifiers will not last the distance.

Another idea that I had was to make the S2 class a free for all. Do what you want.

Make all the other classes restricted on Tyres, rims etc.

As far as freight to WA - transport a couple of years ago was around $800 return from Sydney.

[devo]

Some slow guys spend the money just because they have it, but I doubt many seriously blame their equipment for being right off the pace. The rules don't affect anyone but those having a proper crack at winning the championship classes in my opinion, and certainly not new riders, so I think it's all good where I'm coming from.

[shane]

spot on Devo , its only the top 4-5 guys can can make use of the trick bits , the rest of the guys run them because they want to .
as for 16.5 front tires they are same price as 17's and you have to buy wheels any way so its no different .
the one set of tires per round makes good sense but any brand you want .
when i was road racing they had the SA and WA rounds one week apart so you here half way there already .

[Flash]

! set of tyres is a great idea but I still think there needs to be restrictions put on them! I don't care whether 5 guys can use the bits but if only 5 can afford them we'll never know will we! How is an up and comer to get a result if his Dad only has a modest amount to play with!

[SM93]

in a way the 16.5 thing has done a favour to motard in Oz. Up until a few years ago Husqvarna brought all the good michelins so everyone had dunlops and the best guys got first choice of them anyways. Now with the bridgey's there are 3 leading tyre brands supplying.

In the case of WA why shouldn't they get a round. They are making a solid go of motard in Oz and clearly deserve it.

[devo]

! set of tyres is a great idea but I still think there needs to be restrictions put on them! I don't care whether 5 guys can use the bits but if only 5 can afford them we'll never know will we! How is an up and comer to get a result if his Dad only has a modest amount to play with!
Some people might be pushing that point Ash, but I don't know why you would be. If you're concerned you might have missed your calling as the next Troy Herfoss, get out to a practice day with the factory guys running their near stock practice bikes and try and keep up!

Meanwhile, bring on the Aus Champs. :)

Oh, and I'm all for 1 set of tires/round.

[SM93]

wat devo said is so true, the factories guys only have crazy bikes to beat the other equaly as talented factory guys. Me riding thier bikes won't make me even close to a novice champ, in fact i reckon it would make it harder!!

[Flash]

! set of tyres is a great idea but I still think there needs to be restrictions put on them! I don't care whether 5 guys can use the bits but if only 5 can afford them we'll never know will we! How is an up and comer to get a result if his Dad only has a modest amount to play with!
Some people might be pushing that point Ash, but I don't know why you would be. If you're concerned you might have missed your calling as the next Troy Herfoss, get out to a practice day with the factory guys running their near stock practice bikes and try and keep up!

Meanwhile, bring on the Aus Champs. :)

Oh, and I'm all for 1 set of tires/round.


Why not push that point! I have been in that exact position before I got to the front but it's almost impossible to stay there with out the trick bits like factory motors and frames and also a million bucks to test the shit out them!
Dont fucking tell me I shouldn't push the point! Just because you guys couldn't keep up with the factory guys on their bikes doesn't mean there isn't anyone else who could!

I want to see this sport grow with an attitude like that it's going to take for ever!

[shane]

sorry Ash you have got it wrong in this case , in supermoto if you are that good you will stand out .
its not carting and there is dirt so if they loose a little on the tar they can make up a lot in the dirt , shit suspension on the tar means great suspension on the dirt etc etc .
i spent 3 laps trying to pass a 16 year old kid on the 250f with a standard front brake ,by the way he is leading the thai supercross champs or bloody close to it .the kid was so fast on the dirt here was only enough time to catch back up on the tar but not get passed .
racing supermoto is like nothing else out there you can ride in totally different styles on totally different lines and end up with he same lap time.

another example for you i gave my CRF with everything done to it know to a guy with a standard CRF with wheels and brakes , no engine or suspension work , he went 4 sec a lap slower on my bike than on his own. he could not ride i it turned to fast the power hit to hard etc etc

all SM needs in aus is for people to stop talking about it and turn up and ride

[ZuluFoot]

all SM needs in aus is for people to stop talking about it and turn up and ride

Agreed, but in VIC? where? if there was a decent track, we could approach and start with our own 3 or 4 race series, its sure to grow legs with a bit of word of mouth

[Flash]

OK then 2 good guys 1 on a stockish bike and one on a factory bike with all the bits on it
Whos going to win??
All I'm saying is if the factory guys can only use the factory frame and swing arms etc then is keeps it fairer for all that may have the tallent to be at the front

[shane]

the good guy on the stock bike will beat everyone else and next season he will be riding a factory bike as well :-}}}}}}}}

[kroosn]

its the national champs for gods sake, if you cant use the trick bits there where can you. sure for your local club events or track days try and argue that but trying to say they cant use trick bits it like saying i cant keep up with valentino rossi on my stock road bike so he shouldnt have his factory bike. there is a time and place for expensive bits and the aus champs is that.

[SM93]

victoria needs to stick its neck out & just book something and then work hard to make it work. No one there is interested cause there is nothing on. once something is started people will come .

[devo]

let me know devo
Details Please! :twisted:
11th May I believe.

[Martin]

Dates will be official tomorrow, now looks like 3 rounds QLD, VIC, WA.
On rules I'm with Shane, maybe restrict tyres but no more. Most of the people buying the bling buy it cos they have too much money, it supports an industry let it go. If Ben really did spend more than his road racer look where it got him.
And also look what the "factory" Aprilia team spent and what it got them, they pulled out of Calder with no brakes !!!!!!!!
The "factory" Husqvarna team blew engines.
I have no problem racing against teams with this much talent, we just have to make a call, first round clashes with Finke !!!
By all means have an entry class with std wheels but we tried that 5 years ago and got nowhere, in the course of racing a set of wheels is pretty minor. Let alone the difference between buying 16.5 and 17

[devo]

6-8 June Ipswich Qld
9-10 August Mildura Vic
28-29 November Perth

Not official.

[discobob]

A quick look at costs :

CRF450 $11,000
Suspension $800
Brake setup $2000
Wheels $1800
Engine work $500 - $2000
Full system $1200
Axle slidders carby catcher etc $200

This is I think a pretty resonable setup that most racers would have, some more. So $17,500 is pretty high if you are coming from dirt racing. With road racing there are classes with stock machines ie FZ6, Superstock, FX etc. These classes are all cheaper to setup for than the above. Crashes / Entry Fees are where the main differences are.

Motor sports are expensive and I guess we will see if this three / four round series works as is.

Again I guess time will tell.

[SM93]

i do agree its alot of money for 3 rounds of racing. If ur state doesn't have regular track days and a series its very expensive.

[Muzzard]

OK I will be in at least for the Mildura (Victorian) Round.
LC4 in the standard frame, abeit not a race bike but still quick enough for some fun.

[Martin]

If you're coming from a dirt bike you don't need a new one. Engine work the same. Pipe the same We have never run different suspension.
Wheels & brakes plenty second hand
Anyone with competitive MX or dirt tracker can do it cheap, that is the whole point of Supermoto
or buy a ready made one (Ape, Kato, etc for much less)
For three rounds maybe you wouldn't but we have a new RMZ + all the bits from last one.
My costs are in diesel to get there, if no help coming with ex's I'll take a few bikes if others in same boat.
We may go superstock in 09 then I doubt we can race Supermoto as well.
Don't know how anyone can set up Superstock for less
race glass, suspension, pipe, etc etc etc still cost $
Diesel, entries, tyres and crashes will top me out
Obviously we'd like to see more rounds but at this stage I'm happy it's happening.
Open MX at Rosebud next week, Sunday 4th May, Joe will run RMZ250 and RMZ450 both completely standard, anyone interested come and watch. The Dash for Cash ($500) will make him go. We are not high flyers.
The other bikes will not be stock, come see the difference
A quick look at costs :

CRF450 $11,000
Suspension $800
Brake setup $2000
Wheels $1800
Engine work $500 - $2000
Full system $1200
Axle slidders carby catcher etc $200

This is I think a pretty resonable setup that most racers would have, some more. So $17,500 is pretty high if you are coming from dirt racing. With road racing there are classes with stock machines ie FZ6, Superstock, FX etc. These classes are all cheaper to setup for than the above. Crashes / Entry Fees are where the main differences are.

Motor sports are expensive and I guess we will see if this three / four round series works as is.

Again I guess time will tell.

[KTM39]

Do they have a Clubman or Novice class? Can I ride a 525 in said class?

If so, I'll be at Mildura. I reckon at least a few other SA guys would be too.

[MarkeeMark]

Count me in for Mildura only as well.

[Muzzard]

Count me in for Mildura only as well.
Another car pooling I think coming up.
Angus is the 'Man with a Van' ;)
I will be 'baggsing' a position in that there van I reckon :lol:

I could be in Melbourne too by then so my ute is also an option for 2 bikes and a shitload of gear.
Girls in the Foz and Mildura here we come ;)

[devo]

Do they have a Clubman or Novice class? Can I ride a 525 in said class?

If so, I'll be at Mildura. I reckon at least a few other SA guys would be too.
Certainly can mate.

I ran a 525EXC in novice last year with Rocket and Stretch.

[DRZ-SM]

Count me in for Mildura only as well.
Another car pooling I think coming up.
Angus is the 'Man with a Van' ;)
I will be 'baggsing' a position in that there van I reckon :lol:

I could be in Melbourne too by then so my ute is also an option for 2 bikes and a shitload of gear.
Girls in the Foz and Mildura here we come ;)
The word is "shotgun". Baggsing has been replaced ;) :P

[Muzzard]

Baggsin' will do me fine thanks Locust Balls :lol:
Are you coming over for a trip to see some real racing?

Friggin' Shotgun,
You Tasmanians are gun happy :shock:

[DRZ-SM]

Baggsin' will do me fine thanks Locust Balls :lol:
Are you coming over for a trip to see some real racing?

Friggin' Shotgun,
You Tasmanians are gun happy :shock:
Im keen, Waiting for the Ute to be in my posseion and i'll load the bike up and come over. I'll see if i can drag aaron along to!


The shotgun is the thin line between loving cousins and deformed babies.

[SM93]

hopefully i will do qld round

[Daws]

If I'm in the country, I'll be up for racing the Qld round. I'll keep you company at the back of the pack Jov!

So far Motarding hasn't been too expensive for me (I'm sure that will change) But I still can't imagine a competitive road race set up would be cheaper, especially if you bin it. Costs are always a factor but as others have mentioned already, the good guys are fast on any bike.

[SM93]

hahaha hopefully i won't be to far back otherwise its a bit embrassing, but most likely i will be..........

[STRETCH]

i cant speak for all the boys but i would say rocket myself andrew and shane will be there. hey devo what class this yr? club-x or s1. im thinkng s2 and club-x. chase the fast boys

[devo]

I don't envy you in s2. Hopefully I can tack onto the back of both s1 and clubx if the fitness is up to it.

Are you close enough to healthy again? June isnt far off.

[STRETCH]

na first round for me will be vic, just finished building the bike and knee is pretty good so i got a few months to get fit and get back in the groove.
rocket has his new bike now too so we are both hangin to get out there.

[ZuluFoot]

I'm tempted, Muzz, what class you going to enter into? can we enter more than 1 class do you think?

[devo]

MuzzV2, no probs entering two classes if you qualify for both. Or three or four if you rustle up some extra bikes!

Cool stretch. Rocket went with an 06/07 YZ?

[Woolf555]

Gonna shoot for the Mildura round. Hopefully I'll have some more funds by then and have my race licence again.
Is there a kart track up there they'll be using?

[Muzzard]

I'm tempted, Muzz, what class you going to enter into? can we enter more than 1 class do you think?
Maybe the S1 and Vets Murray,
Definitely the Vets though,
The LC4 might be a bit too large for real racing,
But once the track layout is finalised I will decide then.

[MarkeeMark]

I emailed NWVMCC and asked about the track and availability of practice days.

I have not heard back from them yet!

[STRETCH]

i just spoke to the guys at mildura kart track and there is no motard race there in august. They have a kart meeting that weekend and have never heard of sm racing being held there.
if its not at the kart track where is it. muzz??

[SM93]

fuckin hell..........

[devo]

i just spoke to the guys at mildura kart track and there is no motard race there in august. They have a kart meeting that weekend and have never heard of sm racing being held there.
if its not at the kart track where is it. muzz??
ROUND 2
VENUE: Karkarooc Industrial Skills Centre
Walnut Avenue, Mildura VIC
TRACK LICENCE NO: TBA
PERMIT NO: MA1361
EVENT CONTACT: Marg Tegart – 0409 502 303
PO Box 2277, MILDURA VIC 3502
Email: info@nwvmcc.com
KEY OFFICIALS: Steward: Lyal Allen
Clerk of Course: Brendan Gledhill
Race Secretary: Marg Tegart

Sup Regs are up Stretch. Sounds like this one is going to be a car park track, water barriers etc.

[Flash]

Bike racing is pretty big in Mildura so I wouldn't worry too much

[Greeny]

Hey couple questions some of you might be able to help me out with.

I am looking at entering the Mildura round.
This will be my first time at racing.

I have been going through the Sup regs as well as the GCR's but still unsure of a couple things.

In the GCR's it states no knobby tyres, duh, but it does not say that road tyres cannot be used.
Can i run treaded if i cant get slicks, warmers and a generator organised?

The sup regs go into that C grade might be broken into 2 classes (C grade and C grade novice) if there is a heap of entrants.
I am guessing that if that happens there are only so many positions on the grid and you will only get a spot on the grid if you are fast enough.
So does that mean if you are not fast enough to get your arse into a spot on the grid then you will have paid $140 for 2 X 10 minute quailifying sessions?
I ask this as i am a racing virgin i still have to get my national licence.
Seems like unless i can be sure to actually race i would be better off spending the money on more track days.

If any one can shed some light on it for that would be great.
Cheers

[megahead]

road tyres are normally fine
if you dont qualify you dont race

[SM93]

i think wat they mean is if there are 45 c graders they will get split in to 2 groups based on qaul times

[shane]

yes everyone will race on the day no one will miss out , so get up there and have a go , i wont be over for the first 2 as i have to much on but i will try and make perth

[SM93]

the perth tracks are great to

[devo]

yes everyone will race on the day no one will miss out
+1

[Sibbo]

So when do the entries need to be in for the Mildura round?

[ZuluFoot]

So when do the entries need to be in for the Mildura round?

You gona race Brett?

I'm very seriously contemplating getting a 690 Enduro for Motard conversion, then I can race against you and remove your illustrious title from you :D

[Sibbo]

Yeah, I should be racing, cos its fun. :twisted:
Pffrt, you got to beat me first old man!

Below is the address of the "skills centre" in Mildura. Is the going to be at the kart track, or at the thing on the right hand side?

http://vsmr.net/albums/tracks-roads/mildy.sized.jpg