Wiring in a kill switch

[chocwheaton]

Hey everyone,

I'm converting my 2001 husky sm570r to a track only bike and am removing the keyed ignition and adding a kill switch. Only problem is I have no idea how to wire in this kill switch.

The kill switch has one black wire that's wired into the switch, and one green wire that's not attached to the switch at all. Anyone know what I'm supposed to connect to what?

Now if I can find my usb cable, I'll post some pics (I hate moving house and not being able to find ANYTHING!!!)

Cheers

Greg

[Muzzard]

Maybe no good today, but PM Peter (BA300) @ Road & River M/C Husqvarna/MV Agusta and see what he suggests.
I would assume there is a Husqvarna part numbered 'loop/loom' specific to competition.

[Wobbly]

The switch should just be a simple open/close circuit right? So you should just need to work out what 2 wires get shorted in the standard ignition switch when its set to its 'on' position and then wire these into the new switch right? That's what I did with the little KR to dump the ignition switch.

[chocwheaton]

The switch should just be a simple open/close circuit right?

ummm...I don't know :? It seems weird to me as the switch only has one of the two wires going into it. The other one (green) is just sitting there not attached to the switch at all. :?: :?:

So you should just need to work out what 2 wires get shorted in the standard ignition switch when its set to its 'on' position and then wire these into the new switch right?

If only I could get some pics up :evil: grrrrr stupid house moving n lost camera cable!!

There's an electrical socket/plug thingy and I can remove the whole key ignition module and wires at this point. I assumed I'd plug the wires from the kill switch into the remaining plug, but the connector types don't match up. Of course I was told by the husky shop where I got the switch "don't worry it's dead easy to fit mate." I'm sure it is...if you know what to do in the first place!!!! :x Zero knowledge, zero manual and zero included instructions don't make for a good combination.

I don't know how I'd work out what 2 wires get shorted to get an on position. It seems to be a sealed unit to me and I know nothing/nada/zip/zilch about auto electrics.

Anyway...I give up. Now it won't even start with the normal keyed ignition connected. I'm going to try to salvage a few useful hours of this waste of time weekend doing something that has nothing to do with fuggin stooopid motorbikes...until motogp starts of course 8)

[MasterSpoon]

where is your switch located?
my 2204 570 does not have an keyed ignition simply a kill switch on the front part of the LH controls. If yours is in a similar place i can go look how mine is wired

[chocwheaton]

where is your switch located?
my 2204 570 does not have an keyed ignition simply a kill switch on the front part of the LH controls. If yours is in a similar place i can go look how mine is wired

So is your kill switch part of the actual controls or something separate you think's been added?

Yeah have a look if you have time. But there's no hurry...I've officially chucked a fuggin wobbly and am kickin back watching motogp trying to forget it exists. As if moving house is not enough to get me on edge, this bike pushing my buttons. I've ridden it on the road maybe 3 times and now the manual decompression lever/mechanism is stuffed and the bike seems to be loosing compression and won't even start. So much for my maiden track outing tomorrow night. Stupid friggen bike. :x

[MasterSpoon]

mine is part of the controls on the LH side, its factory setup and had a quick look and it comes out with the rest of the wires into a loom

[Muzzard]

I've ridden it on the road maybe 3 times and now the manual decompression lever/mechanism is stuffed and the bike seems to be loosing compression and won't even start. So much for my maiden track outing tomorrow night. Stupid friggen bike. :x

You should be able to disconnect the cable and make the decompression device inoperable.
Where is the problem with the decomp?
Thats obviously connected to your loss of compression.

[chocwheaton]

still lookin for my camera's usb cable :roll:

[chocwheaton]

Victory! Forgot to unpack one box, containing most of what's missing, including that danged usb cable :P

OK...so here is what the wiring looks like for the standard keyed ignition module that I'm removing. I've already removed everything else so there's nothing else attached to the wiring loom.
http://vsmr.net/albums/bitsnbobs/DSC01814.jpg

This is a dodgy close up of the ignition wiring (with the ignition removed). There's a seperated red/white wire (not part of the plug), one blue, one red and two yellow wires which feed into a single connector in the plug.
http://vsmr.net/albums/bitsnbobs/DSC01812.jpg

Here's the kill switch I need to wire in. It has two wires, one black that is connected to the switch, and one green that's not attached to the switch.
http://vsmr.net/albums/bitsnbobs/DSC01813.jpg

I think I need to ground the ringed end of the green wire to the handle bar mount??? The other end of the green wire fits onto the red/white wire, but I guess that does not mean they're supposed to be connected :roll:

Any ideas? Anyone have a 570 maunal with a wiring diagram?

Cheers

Greg

[Wobbly]

Ok, yep, the green one is a grounding wire. Looks like a push to break/push to short type kill switch. Guessing here that it grounds on the frame/headstem/whatever, and the switch grounds to the handlebar which connects the circuit, which seems to indicate a push to ground type of kill switch?

I'm really not sure though, as I'm f-a-r from an electrics guy. Where's dicky when you need him :roll:

Doesn't your bike have a kill switch already?

[chocwheaton]

Doesn't your bike have a kill switch already?

No it does not have one as part of the controls for some reason. I'd never noticed until I went looking for it.

[SMC690]

Green wire to a good earth, frame or the like.
Run the bike in stock form with stock switch connected and if you have a multimeter measure the voltage from the frame to either of the two wires to find the live one.
Connect live wire to the black one on the kill switch assembly.
This will dump the current into the frame (earth) and kill the ignition when the bike is running.
Does that make sense?

Cheers,
Juz.

[chocwheaton]

Green wire to a good earth, frame or the like.
Run the bike in stock form with stock switch connected and if you have a multimeter measure the voltage from the frame to either of the two wires to find the live one.
Connect live wire to the black one on the kill switch assembly.
This will dump the current into the frame (earth) and kill the ignition when the bike is running.
Does that make sense?

Cheers,
Juz.

I'm sure it makes sense...just not to me :oops:

I don't have a multimeter (but could get one). When you say "stock switch", do you mean the keyed ignition thing? It doesn't have two wires, it has 5.

[SMC690]

Shit sorry, I have some strange form of ADD at the moment and I'm not thinking straight, lol.
Same idea with the 5 wires from your ignition switch, find the live one and dump it to your frame/earth.
Where are you based Greg? If in Melbourne let me know, I am happy to help on weekends.

Cheers,
Juz.

[Sibbo]

Just do what the Estonians would do and tie a bit of rope around one wrist and the other end to the spark plug lead, so when you get separated from your bike it stops.

The best thing for you to do is chase down a copy of the wiring digram from the manual. Then it will be a piece of piss to wire up.

Just make sure that you have the correct type of kill switch (push to break or push to close), as riding around with your thumb on the kill switch to stop it from cutting out would be a touch annoying. :lol:

[SMC690]

lol, poormans dead mans kill switch. What happens if you have a 4 cylinder bike, do you have to tie it to your forearm? ;)

You will still need a multimeter with a continuity tester to see if it's push to kill or an open circuit switch. Not many people can read those wiring diagrams though, you need to wear coke bottle glasses to understand them.

Are you back already Brett?

[Flash]

Are you back already Brett?

THey reconed he looked funny so they sent him back

[SMC690]

You better not go overseas then goatee boy..... :P

[MasterSpoon]

ok just had a quick look at my manual and the wiring diagrams (yes i can read them) however i don't have a keyed ignition just a "Engine Stop" button but i would be looking at a Red wire with a White trace. I think you will find that because your bike had all the indicators ect on it that most of the other wires will be to use them. Do you know if all the road gear was original equipment or someone fitted after bike was sold? my guess would be that red/white went to original kill switch and when lights ect put on they changed to keyed ignition so they could break the circuit to the rest

[Sibbo]

No not back (sorry to hijac thread).

Fk the hipies that want to use the computer in the dorm....if they had bikes they b cool, not fking hippy poofs!!!

Wiring digs are easy to read, re doing your own wiring is the hard part!!! hahaha black for this, black for that, black for fking everything!!!

Find that red wire and white trace and see what it does, then wire it up to your kill switch. A few fuses later, you be good to go.

Also buy heat shrink, makes even the shitist jobs look pro!!

[chocwheaton]

Thanks for the tips fellas. I tried connecting the black wire on the switch to the red/white wire, and then earthed the green wire to the frame. No go. Not sure if I did anything wrong.

I've spent enough time on this already, and need to get my fireblade track bike fixed, so I'll just get someone that knows what they're doing to have a look at it for me. Until then, I've just reconnected the existing ignition module and zip tied it to the top triple! You've got to know when to give up :roll:

Cheers :D

[Muzzard]

Once again if its Husqvarna contact Pete (BA300)
His workshop may have done one or 2 before ;)

[chocwheaton]

Once again if its Husqvarna contact Pete (BA300)
His workshop may have done one or 2 before ;)

Yeah thanks Muz. I try, but I never seem to have time during the day to call because of work.

Cheers

[Bara]

dont know if this will help but i had a kill switch wired into my 450 and had nothing but problems with it. had it replaced again and again before taking it out. ( kept shitting itself for some reason )