South Morang Racers Day.

[Muzzard]

Expressions of interest now for a Motard only 'Racers Day' at
South Morang with the advantage of no session sharing.
Must be at least 15 people prepared to pay $100 each before we can proceed.
If you think about it,
Its not a bad deal as we only get about 30% of the track time when there now,
So for the whole 100% its price equivalent.
And to be only motards and fast ones (28 second laps and better please) is what we need now and again.

It will not interfere with the normal fortnightly session shared track days.
This is a 'one off' to test the water...

[ZuluFoot]

Conceptually great, but here's my slant:-

I'm not fussed about slower riders, they make it more exciting and give a genuine feel to racing, so the more the merrier.

I'm also not capable of riding for more than 15-20 mins without becomming unproductive, so the ideal would be to have loads of riders, but split into 2 groups of equal qty and capability if necessary, the real plus would be having the track to ourselves for a full day.

My desire would be to get enough time to get out, do 8-10 laps and then come in for some fine tuning, then go out again to test, so 1/2 hr sessions would be adequate for me to get significant benefit.

That would equate to around 3.5 to 4 hrs of riding time which is a lot of riding, the more riders mean the lower the cost, so if we can get 30 riders that would drop the rate to $50 in theory?

[Wobbly]

I'm with zulu on this one - i think not including probably the larger proportion of the riding base isn't a great idea.

I do think that offering an option for all riders to pay more to get a much bigger piece of the pie (ie. a motard specific day) is definately good, and I also believe that having a racers group (in which people can feel comfortable in having a greater level of competition and less fear about people reacting badly to closer passing manouvers) is also a good idea. How about mixing them together, having a real structured process for accepting people into the racers group and running two separate groups (intermediate & race) on a dedciated motard day?

People will need to be honest about their abilities and the environment in which they want to ride, as well as being tempered by a structured process in order to qualify people in or out through either timing or observed behaviour, or a combination of both. But if we do so then we should be able to cater for all people, as well as providing an environment in which each of the groups of people would be comfortable...

[dangermouse1100]

While it would be great to have the track for motards only, the fact is it's for racers only, how many of the 570 members are racers, how many would actually turn up????. I just couldn't keep up because the dr/myself, dont qualify in that time bracket. I dont mind the competition, thats fine by me as long as they are predictable. I dont mind paying a bit extra if we get the track to ourselves.

[Muzzard]

Its all about compromise with me, trying to get along with other disciplines, track operators, web base and get track time for all equally, safely and regularly and at a rate we can afford.
And its a headfuck, let me tell you now.
I am more than happy to have 20 riders @ $80 per rider and split the Groups strictly and have 30 minute sessions, Motard specific.
Its a gamble on my behalf I would not normally take, to fully book the venue and hope you get the required amount to break even on the track hire.

Without the specifics of two dedicated groups we will not be able to lend confidence to the quicker blokes if we are seen to be grizzling about being leant on.
Martin has expressed that they enjoyed the day and would attend another soon if possible and so should Chas and Mick.
Shannons only round the corner unless committed elsewhere too.


So,
There is a tentative booking for the whole track on the 6th January now that I made today against my better judgement.
So accordingly if you want to attend and we go ahead with that date,
You will be grouped by what 3 of us consider you to be best suited.
There would be no grizzling, just happy faces to have the track to themselves, hands with money in them to ride, and strict adherance to Groups when track sessions commence.
Cost would have to be more like $80 per rider and still needing 20 riders
to confirm and run the day and need those before Monday as to not stuff Daryl around in a really busy time for them too.

[Wobbly]

Wow, that's fairly early ... well, i'll be in it for sure, in the non-racer's group ;)

Muzz - you may want to give yourself a bit more time and put a process in place to collect deposits on the track day from people before it goes ahead to better qualify the numbers turning up. Not to mention getting the word out to the racers that there will be a specific race group in which they can ride and act as they would expect to in a competition oriented grouping.

Just a suggestion. :)

[Muzzard]

Problem is having the availability of the venue during the better weather months.
Everyone wants more track time at this time of year.

17 days away is close, yes I know that, but if you provide it they will come hopefully.
Its the weekend after New Years so you have a week to get over that too.

[Wobbly]

I think we're going to struggle to get numbers by then though mate. What's the best method of reaching out? We can post here, mcnews, fullnoise and other sites. But word of mouth plays a part, and I'm worried that we haven't got enough time for that.

Would first week of Feb be out of the question?

[Flash]

Sorry guys I commited myself to working on the 6th. I thought we were talking more mid Jan.

[Muzzard]

There was 20 bikes and 23 riders there the other day.
More than happy to cancel the booking.
Takes the stress off me.

Give it til Monday and see how its looking.

[Wobbly]

How about jan 27 as a fallback date?

[ZuluFoot]

Yep, I'm in! but reckon pushing it towards mid Jan might help get the numbers required, so I'll go with the majority preference. It will be a sad sight if theres a poor turnout so the longer we plan the better the turnout will be, and thats gotta be good for the Brotherhood ;)

[shane]

muzz if your not sure on numbers , ask daryl if he would go for a half a day booking . thats what they do here they split the track time 8am-1pm 1pm-6pm or untill you can see anymore .
that should half your track cost , and if its split into 2 sessions that 5x30min sessions , if thats not enough practice you better take tires,oil and a set of rings with you ....
session times are set at the start of the day for the groups A 8-8.30, B 8.30-9 etc etc ,post a sign at pit exit for group A or group B .that way guys can go in and out when they please as long as its there turn .
might be better to start with the half days and if needed and wanted you can change latter , my self i would rather go every week for half a day than every 2 weeks for a whole one ,but thats just me .

[Muzzard]

I'll ring back tomorrow and see if we cant get the 27th set aside then.

[SMC690]

I'm not sure if I currently make the grade but the 6th is good for me.
So is the 27th, so bring it on if we can make the numbers which is the crucial element.
Juz.

[Muzzard]

Good point Shane I had thought of the half day hire too but seems we can never get everyone happy here :roll:
and there will be all the bullshit about 'I can come in the morning'
and 'I cant'...
Its all too fucking hard for most mate,
You would think when its in the backyard of most they would be here in a flash seeing everyone grizzles about lack of tracks.

We will try for the 27th and see how we go for bookings at South Morang and what the numbers are like by Monday.

[ZuluFoot]

Good point Shane I had thought of the half day hire too but seems we can never get everyone happy here :roll:
and there will be all the bullshit about 'I can come in the morning'
and 'I cant'...
Its all too fucking hard for most mate,
You would think when its in the backyard of most they would be here in a flash seeing everyone grizzles about lack of tracks.

We will try for the 27th and see how we go for bookings at South Morang and what the numbers are like by Monday.

Keep the faith Muzz, keep the faith, when it catches on there will be many die-hards, but even then not everyone is always available or capable of attending, when the critical mass is reached though, you will have to turn some away sadly :?

[dangermouse1100]

So whats the deal then, is this day for all of us or just the racers who can get around in 28 sec?. As in an earlier post, fruit season starts mid Jan, i really cant make promises & i love track time.

[dangermouse1100]

As an afterthought, why not do it like a Broadford track day, book it & pay for it in advance, no refunds, then people will not give you the run around, most people will show up to something they put their money on, just trying to save you some headaches Muzz :)

[SMC690]

Exactly my thoughts dangermouse.
I am an offender of the no show on a pair of occasions this year including the last one which I regret but if you had a chance to test ride this new bike I did on Saturday you would understand. ;)

[Muzzard]

To make up the numbers we would be opening to all initially Dave.
Size of the track is a big problem and no run off also sees a few concerns for me.
Fences are too close etc so we cant get too many serious riders on the track at once.
That limits the amount of bikes per session needing more graded sessions, catch 22.
So eventually we will, like Murray said, have to turn some away.
Dont stress mate, you will not be one ;)
Then we would look at a bigger venue like Broadford.
The problem always lies with the money.
If we were an incorporated club,
You would have paid a membership that would be in the bank and able to be used to book the track, no dramas, and go from there.
I dont have the resources to just wear the loss if they dont come.

I would be expecting a similar turnout to last weekend and run on a more strictly controlled format,
And pre-registering gives an added advantage to print out Group lists and timings for sessions as Shane explained.
This is how it is usually done and works very well.

Brings us back again to trying to find the numbers for the compromise of cost and effect really. :roll:

Why dont we just give Circuit breakers/Champions the dough and block book as a group for Broadford/Winton for the benefit of the more right handers and teaching sportbike fags new lines.
I dont have anywhere near the headfuck and can ring them as easily as the next bloke and say I'm from VSMR and want to book for the next track day we decide to attend en-masse.
Keep going as we have fortnightly to South Morang as well and be done with it...

[speaksgeek]

My other forum - cbr250.com fairly regularly fronts 10 or more people to a champions ride day at Winton or Broadford. I think we get them for group rate of $110 instead of $135 each.
Next Broady is 21 Jan, and Winton not until 17 Feb.
http://www.championsridedays.com.au/

On the other hand, there's a good chance I could make it to both 6 Jan, and 13 Jan at Sth Morang in the new year. No race pace for me though, show me the kiddies group!

[dangermouse1100]

Yes, some of the fences can jump out at you ;). Would like to have a go at Broadford and it will save you any headaches, even with just us regulars i can imagine us all having a lot of fun. With 4 track days under my belt i am surprised that with so many members that so few show up to the regular events. If i lived in Melbourne i cant see a reason why i wouldn't be there every fortnight, just around the corner so too speak. If we start getting decent turnouts like last weekend, then as a club base should see other venues possibly opening up for us. :-k Well even though its a big day out, i have a bloody great time and with the tyre screeching i'm as happy as a pig in shit :D I can imagine when i get the little fat wheels it will be a different beast & will have to learn it all again. Looking forward to it 8)

[Muzzard]

I will contact Champions then and see if we can get a group concession and go from there.
As for South Morang,
We will resume normal fortnightly motard practice late January TBA.

So delete all previous reference for a Racers Day there.
Also delete the idea at the moment for the Camping/Timing Weekend.
I am going to canvass up here to see what I cant come up with for a venue
and have a few ideas that could fly.

[TONY]

Muzz, really enjoyed my first track day at Sth. Morang on 16th Dec. Found the DR650SM was not suited for such a tight track. Also, was concerned by the tight run off areas. :shock: Mind you, I had a demo ride session on the Valley Force Husaberg 550SM, and can understand that, on the right bike, Sth. Morang is a lotta fun for some guys.

I have ridden both Broadford (2006) & Winton (1981, believe it or not) on Supamotos. They are really good tracks. I think the group booking for Champions is a good idea. It is discounted & economical for a group. It takes the stress off you. :roll:

On a personal note, I use the DR650SM on road, and my favorite ride is Reefton Spur. The DR is a fairly smooth, comfortable ride, and even OK on longer rides (have done 500km days to/thru the Snowies).

Excuse my Avatar (from the Gallery). I'll put a personal one in later.

Finally, this is a teriffic website. Good on you Muzz, and the boys who contribute to the threads/forums. :D

[Daws]

If only I was still in Vicco - Everyone knows how much I love Broadford - Champions Ride Days offer a bike transport service from Qld to Vic so I may have to take advantage of that soon.

[SM93]

supa4 when u find out about the transport let me know i would love to come down for a ride in vic !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Flash]

We'd love to have you, but I don't kow if I can ride that hung over :D