Mini Motard

[Muzzard]

Wondering how many of you are keen on the mini motard coming out of the States currently. Has huge momentum there and coming end of March, some of you will get to experience it first hand.
Some of you have been waiting for the release of my mini motard pitbike and this is forecast for April.
Hopefully the weather will hold out for a bit longer and we get the opportunity to slip 1 or 2 around GPTC. Was originally expecting to take delivery prior to the racing 19/20, and running them on the track day, but freight times do not allow that.
Stay tuned :D

[Wobbly]

Can't see myself buying one I'm afraid but I'm happy to road test one of course :D

Mind you, I could see myself doing me some serious damage on one of them there things! :lol:

[Muzzard]

You are more than welcome to ride one Neil. Remembering the VSMR ride disclaimer of 'I have no recollection of those events' :lol:
That is of course if you bring a mate who does want to buy one!
Photos in the Tasty album in the gallery.
I see it as maybe an easier way to get time on a kart track as they are smaller than the real deal, sort of quells a bit of worry from the Kart track owners perpective. These bikes will be run on methanol as an option and accordingly... fast. They are also extremely light coming in around 60 KG max. Fitted with frame sliders like GSXR/Blade/R1 style what amount of track surface damage could possibly occur? Gouges, I doubt whether there would be sufficent protrusions, if the bike was setup correctly.
A night @ GPTC will tell. :D

[Flash]

let me know when and where, you know I'll find out if it can gouge the track. :lol:

[Muzzard]

Well I picked up some of what I thought would be my prototypes and of course they were not the ones that they should have been.
Murphy's Law...
Anyway they are quick little bikes and I have aleady managed to unload myself twice so far :lol:
First time on the road out the front of my house, and for all the neighbours to see, I got the fine art of lowside down pat.. :oops: And then in the verandah out the back of my house over the bars I went showing off doing rollin 180 endo's...
Went out to the saleyards this morning for some more riding and laid down some healthy lines on the tar there, back again this arvo with the video, so I will post it up tonight if I work out how... :twisted:
Still pics in the Stunting Album..

[Wobbly]

So its the stress test then?? :lol:

Not bad looking jiggers!

[Muzzard]

Got the handling thing sorted now and more than happy to have the little bugger hanging out, although sounds like calamity about to happen when sliding into corners, as the little tyres howl bad :twisted:
Have identified minor clutch problem but should have it remedied by the time the local bearing suppliers opens :D
Are very quick on the 10" wheels, and some fellas setting up for todays special stage for the Lombard Rally, were suitably impressed with its performance and could not believe it was basically a 'Postie bike' engine...
Down to the exhaust shop over the next few days and sling a 'J' pipe on it with an alloy can and see if I cant get some more top end out of it, although quick, is flat in the top rev range.
Enter bigger cam profiling. :shock:
But that will take place on my own bike first! :lol:

[JR]

I cant wit till they get to me here in the USA. Big interest here for the EMS bikes!!

[Muzzard]

Another grouse night riding...
Only this time it was with Jake and his brother and half of Echuca-Moama, at Silverstone Karting Complex at Moama.
WHAT A GROUSE MINIMOTO TRACK! :twisted:
We had a good night,.. Although binnin' both the bikes, firstly by Jake with a stall and spit off at the end of the back straight at a reasonable speed, with only a lever knob as damage and Jake with a red face. :oops:
Several, (read heaps) of interest and loads of blokes paid the $2.50 a rider fee to the track operator as I supplied and paid bike track fees of $15 per bike.
Very quick on the track and ideally suited to the alloy frame due soon (2/3 weeks, now at sea..) and the bulk of people there from the pocketbike mini/racing fraternity and local motorcycle dealers were amazed at the performance given the tight layout of the track.
By the way, there is a few older blokes who rode the bikes tonight before the endo of the year award is handed out, that would be extremely good Supermotard riders given the opportunity...
Speaking of the Award it goes to Jakes brother and his best mate for pitchin them in at the end of the straight at really high speed and then stacking em up like cards..
All I saw was one bike get really out of shape, squealing tyres BIG TIME! and then cartwheeling pitbikes and legs..
At the end of the pile, up got 2 blokes with really bewildered looks on thiers faces and looking at eack other like, 'What did you do that for'...
Bikes suffered badly with several broken levers and a master cylinder, some gouges here and there, and a couple of sets of grips I think are also rooted.. Good ones boys, You know you own them :D
Some skin was left on the track, and if I look hard enough I think a stain on the seat :lol:

So for those asking of the 2 control engine development bikes that were for sale in the forum... SOLD!

The photos of the coming model are in the Tasty Album marked,
EMS SportMoto 125...

[jakestein]

:D The rear brake is a killer :twisted: better then my roadbikes hehe.
Yes its possable to highside a supermoto :(
The money for a bike like this is well worth it plus I have a track night once a week so its fuckin great.

The bike was very weird/sqirmish under you but if ridden hard would stick like glue , never really got back into IT after my crash but I was never "IN IT" to start with ;)

I was the last to ride the one bike that was made up of levers and gizzards from the two Binned bikes about 8.45pm the temp had dropped off alot and the tyres were ice cold making fun coming out of corners.

The faster guys on them that picked it up quick would be great on full size bikes.

Thanks to Muzz for bringing them over and showing half of Echuca/Moama the "LIGHT" :P

[Wobbly]

Great stuff! :up: Sounds like you should have had a camera :D

[jakestein]

The batteries were still charging when we got home I forgot the camera :(

[Muzzard]

I had a camera but didnt take a picture. I was having too much friggin' fun!
When we land more bikes on volume I will be doing the same thing every month at least at some venues.
Possibly GPTC when the weather/supermotard practice allows, then switching a fortnight later up at Moama...
Should have at least 1 demo running each night,.. :roll:
Thanks to Jake for the invitation to attend :up:

[Wobbly]

Any thoughts on running events and renting bikes out? I'm thinking like corporate type stuff. I'd like to organize a bunch of guys from work to do it, as there's a lot there that are into karting, but their probably too big a bunch of woose-bags anyway :twisted:

[Muzzard]

I had thought of that sort of thing mate, Thats why I am looking for my own area to build a track, something industrial, with enough hard standing to build a European style track... :)

[Wobbly]

What sort of area are you thinking about? You'd have to be near the city to get decent numbers you'd think? Plus you could have a crack at the corpie types :-k

[Muzzard]

As large an area as possible with sealed surface...
Close as possible to CBD for Corporate types too.
Would look at indoor/outdoor, as best advantage that way, but either option is sought...
This will run 7 days per week, from 9am - 9pm, so light/medium industrial is the go...

[JR]

That would be sweet, I am thinking the exact samething for here in the USA :D

[Muzzard]

Got my eye on 5 acres of flood plain with stands of gums all over it for sale here in Wangaratta, so I have put a proposal to the owner for some lease arrangement coupled to vendors terms to build an MX and ATV track...
The idea is sound given the volumes of dirt bikes in the town and this is 4 km out. Council will recieve the proposal as soon as I get a response through the agent. Coincidentally the agent has a WRF and his son is riding a TTR125 and they have nowhere to legally ride together although both bikes are rec registered the son is only 14... Catch 22 on the rego deal again, so build somewhere, and try to write off some against 'development' costs. :lol:

[Flash]

I though you guys were talking about building a motard track, Do you guys have any idea what asphalt cost's. Don't ask it's a shit load!!
They resurfaced Oakliegh gokart track about 10 years ago and it was in the region of 250k!! and that was already prepared on a solid base(the old track)

[Muzzard]

I intend to do both, MX track on outskirts of Wangaratta...
And a tar motard track as close to CBD north or east...
I know what sealing works cost Ash, you will be the one paying for it every time you come and play at 'SlideMoto' Supermotard complex wont you! :lol:

[JR]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :D

[B_Comp]

They also resurfaced the Geelong go kart track a few yrs after the Oakleigh one... again, they just laid a top over the existing track, widened it some, new rumble strips etc, that was in excess of 300K...

My two cents...

[Muzzard]

This is why industrial yard with hard standing area is the obvious option...

[JR]

Murray, you gonna have it done before I get there :D

[Muzzard]

Got my finger in another private pie in Melbournes north.
Hopefully for a weekly under lights Wednesday night for 12 weeks to guage interest and go from there.
Is located not as far out as GPTC but in the same general location and only suitable for mini and mid wheel bikes.
Good facilities and easy access. Keep your fingers crossed for those with minis...

As Echuca has proved to have brought out some older bikes for an evenings fun on a real small budget I ask, how many of you have older mini bikes under houses and in sheds etc?
These bikes really only have to run to have fun as a heap of blokes up there have discovered :lol:
There are those who go to eat the snags and watch the kids, those who go with the kids and ride too, and those like me and Jake and whoever else I rope in who go with the intention of either cripplin' ourselves or others who get in the way...
Accordingly if you go for the adrenaline fix, it costs more than the snags off the BBQ...

These are not like riding the pocket bikes, they are little motards, with all the same mods you would do to a full sized bike.
Jakes bike has the mostest brakes of any pitbike, and will stop very very quickly from high speed. This relates to an arm pumping you would not concieve from a mini bike, and accordingly for those who understand G- forces this equates also to a thrilling ride.
The newer bikes have less punch than Jakes bike but make power differently, and need to be ridden differently too.
I am still not sure which bike is 'easier to ride' as the high revving engines seem to make things very intense and require undivided concentration to be quick all round. It seems to make you busier in the corners than Jakes as his just stops so well and then just punches away even from 3rd gear.
I am in the throws of building an alloy frame motard bike for myself from catalogue bits, as a control spec bike for mini motard in specific. 8)

[scozzie]

We've just started a club up here that hopes to cater to the 1000's of riders with nowhere to go once they close the State Forests. We're hoping to cater for MX, Enduro, grasstrack and trials. We won't be allowed to put any tarmac down unfortunately.
The insurance issue will be handled by joining one of the larger M/C bodies but that also means official events only. No dropping in to ride for a day which buggers it up a bit.
How are you going to deal with the whole insurance / public liability thing if you don't mind me asking. :?:

[Muzzard]

By simple indemnity, as motorsport is inherently dangerous and the usual policy to cover up to 3 million payout...
Even if push came to shove, you still gotta get to spend it! :shoot:

[scozzie]

So do you mean that anyone wanting to use your facility signs a disclaimer? And that is good enough?

[Muzzard]

Sure do Scozz, Thats the only way to go and every time they attend, sign another disclaimer as part of the entry proceedure... 8)

[Wobbly]

Is that enough? I had thought that those waivers weren't really worth much ... :?:

[Muzzard]

Waivers are as good as a policy in as much as they were not offered under duress and made of peoples own free will.
People who want to sue you will do so whether or not there is a policy and most times the policy has the inherent 'must be dead' clause to payout anyway...

Which brings me back to 'you gotta get to spend it' argument...
You wanna come and ride or not?

[Wobbly]

Why, got some spare bikes you want scratched up? :lol:

[jakestein]

Your right about my bikes engine its a grunt machine :D 3rd and 4th gear is all you need.
Following other pitbikes I barley tip it over or move my body I think its the perfect bike for the track, maybe more topend power but thats it.

If my wr motor had the same power delivery as the mini I would be very happy.

Arm pump :lol: when your front tyre is skimming on the ground 75% of the track and being slammed into the bars by the brakes it is common for me to work a bit tight on Wednesday morning.