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Bomber640
26-09-2006, 01:09 PM
Hi,
I'm new to this site, and to internet forums altogether. By way of introduction I thought I'd post a list of what I've done to my '99 LC4 to get it to run like it should have from the factory (strictly for off road use of course...). Nothing fancy, just standard setup tips that cost next to nothing. Most of you have probably done similar things, but it might be of use to someone. My bike is an LC4E, I bought it a couple of months ago bog standard, 14000k's with a new piston and rings at 10000k's.

Breathing;
Got a hole-saw and removed the bung from the end of the standard exhaust (with a fair bit of strong-arming and foul language). Much nicer exhaust note.

The standard airbox has a snorkel that had been removed when I got my bike. I made the hole a little larger (which probably wasn't that clever; given the vagueries of constant pressure carb/tuned airbox relationships). I use standard twin air filters, but given that its mainly used on the road I oil them very lightly. I mix a bit of engine oil with turps, work it through the filter and then let the turps evaporate.

Carb;
There's an emission control device on the right hand side of the carb that opens a port at the top of the diaphragm when 2nd or 3rd gears are engaged. This allows the pressure to equillibrate with the atmosphere and retards opening of the slide. Removing this device and blanking off the port (with a 3/8th's vacuum cap, if my memory serves me correctly) improves throttle response in 2nd and 3rd.

I'm in Melbourne, close to sea level. The standard main jet is a 142.5. I tried a 150, and currently have a 155 which seems fine (from plug chops). The BST40 is also used on DR650's, so I got the jets from Mick Hone Suzuki, $9 a pop, genuine Mikuni. The carb doesn't have to be removed to change the main jet; just loosen the clamps and rotate it a bit to the side. Removing the carb is a real nightmare.

I also raised the needle 1 position; this got rid of the lean condition at approx. 1/4 throttle.

In addition, I enrichened the idle circuit 3/4 of a turn. The main effect of this was to reduce the amount of popping and farting on the overrun. To assist with this I've also set the idle speed a little higher than standard.

I haven't touched the pilot circuit, (mainly because I can't be arsed), but it could probably be a little richer.

I also put an NGK iridium plug in. Probably makes no difference, but on other dirt bikes I've had it seemed to make hot-starts a bit easier.

Suspension;
I weigh about 95 kg's.

Front; Changed the fork oil, standard weight and volume. Bleed the air out of the forks every time you ride (or at least frequently). I've got the rebound damping standard and 2 clicks more compression damping than standard. Just as a general note, the bolts on the fork clamps and the axle pinch bolts are easy to overtighten. It's a good idea to check them with a torque wrench.

Rear; The most important thing is to get the spring preload right. 15-20 mm static sag and 80-90 mm with rider and gear. I've got 1 click more rebound damping than standard and (off the top of my head) 2 clicks more compression.

Misc.
I removed everything I could find that might rattle (chainguards, horn, pathetic toolbox etc.) and put it in a box in the corner of the shed. On such a high vibration bike its a good idea to keep an eye on the torque of the engine mounting bolts and anything thats holding stuff on that you want to stay on. Judicious use of Loctite 243 is also warranted. I also fitted sintered, higher friction-rated front brake pads. Better stopping power, but they're fairly hard on the disk and they squeal at low speed.

2003 onwards bikes have the 'hi-flow' head, and bigger jets to suit. All of the above tips are applicable to these bikes, but the jet sizes will be larger (I think 162.5 standard main? maybe try a 170 to start with?)

These few simple adjustments have transformed the bike. I hope someone can get some use out of these tips.

Cheers

Muzzard
26-09-2006, 01:48 PM
Thanks Bomber ;)
It will certainly help out someone because of the fact there are so many cheaper KTM's coming up for sale, and the Dukes for that matter too, and these are still good road motards when set up properly.

There was a 99 KTM Duke motard for sale recently in the Bike Trader for $4000 was complete and in very good condition, but stock...

Wobbly
26-09-2006, 04:28 PM
Welcome aboard bomber :up: The best mods are of course those that involve hole saws and dirty great drill bits :D

postie_moto
26-09-2006, 07:17 PM
cheers for the tips!

Daws
26-09-2006, 07:57 PM
Welcome bomber and thanks for the comprehensive write up.

SMC690
26-09-2006, 10:48 PM
Welcome Bomber.
You will unfortunately not know how rich or lean your bike is if you want to get it running perfectly unless you get it on a dyno & checking the mixtures.
The days of plug chops are over with the elimination of leaded pump fuels. :(
Leaded fuel let you plug chop and give you a reading on the ceramic but unfortunately no longer with unleaded.
Now we need pricey lambda probes in the exhaust system or a gas analyser.
You sound like you have already done some good mods & might have it breathing a bit better. The better those LC4's breathe the harder they go!
Are you bringing it out to the track day this Sat? ;)

Bomber640
26-09-2006, 11:17 PM
You're right about the dyno, but unfortunately the little lady presently has an iron strangle hold on my financial resources, so it's all tuning by ear, nose and seat of pants at the moment. I also weep at the demise of leaded fuel. I fondly remember the days of buying 130 octane avgas straight from the pump at service stations near the airport in adelaide. I hadn't thought about the effect of unleaded fuel on plug chops, and must be imagining the difference in appearance. Regardless, it still pulls full throttle cleanly with the biggest main I've tried (155), and as far as I'm concerned the more fuel it's getting in without fouling up the works the better! I'm most concerned about airbox mods with a constant pressure-type carb. You have a SMC? That has the Keihin flatslide, right? Mine has a mikuni BST40. constant pressure carbs need a tuned airbox, and backyard rooting around with the airbox (of the type that I practice) can have deterimental effects on how the carb works. Not so with flatslides I understand - the more air they can get in the better!

SMC690
26-09-2006, 11:29 PM
I had 4x38mm BST40's in a bank (Modified slide's, jets & needles) running on a 150rwhp GSXR 1216 with dual K&N open pod's.
It can be done with CV's if you have the time. You can ditch the whole airbox pressure v's volume & flow right out the window if you have a decent 'zorst and are willing to spend hours on jetting. ;)

Bomber640
26-09-2006, 11:41 PM
I'm like your poor, lazy brother! (or I could be if I didn't already have a richer, more motivated brother) I just got rid of my GSXR 1100; installed a yoshi rs3 4-1, eventually gave up fucking around with the jetting in disgust and got rid of it to get into something simpler (1 carb)...

Wobbly
27-09-2006, 12:05 AM
When in doubt there's always trial and error. Try going richer. If it runs shit, try going leaner until it runs shit again and then go somewhere in the middle :lol2: And then repeat with all combinations of throttle opening and rpm :lol:

SMC690
27-09-2006, 07:52 PM
An interesting thing I found is the on the dyno graph that come with the factory Ackro's for the 640SM with the CV. The noise reduction inserts were in place with an outlet of 25mm as opposed to the open 50mm.
It produced a sniff more horsepower with the same open top cover that you would slap on an FCR airbox.
Surprised me.

For shits & giggles I stuck the nasty inserts in my Termi's and rode to work the other day.
They held the bike back so much. It just couldn't breathe.
LC4 is so much nicer to ride when it's breathing well. :)

Here, have a geez at the dyno stuff.

http://vsmr.net/albums/bitsnbobs/640SMwithCV_DynoGraph_Pt1.sized.jpg

http://vsmr.net/albums/bitsnbobs/640SMwithCV_DynoGraph_Pt2.jpg

Wobbly
27-09-2006, 08:21 PM
Should be nothing wrong with the CV as far as outright power goes - once the butterflies are open and assuming that it is set up correctly to completely retract the slide at high RPM on WOT it should flow just as good as a flat side. Throttle response will still be way different of course. Its amazing how much of a diff throttle response can make to the 'butt dyno' though - the pipe on the husky didn't make a huge diff to top end power but made the bike feel a lot quicker by filling in a low rpm hole and adding responsiveness...

Muzzard
27-09-2006, 10:00 PM
And the 625SMC Justin?
Got a graph for that?