TT Track Day, South Morang. Monday 20th June. ***CANCELLED***

[Grizzly]

TT South Morang, MONDAY 20TH JUNE

All,

Spence, Bruce and I are heading to TT on Monday 20th June for a track day.

Spence has promised to fire up the BBQ and Bruce is keen to do some shakedown testing of his husky track motard prior to racing the next weekend.

I'll be riding rain, hail or shine. Come on guys, get on board. I'll give the track a call during the week. :roost:

I know it means a day off for most of you but if you can swing a day of A/L or even pull a sicky it would be great to see you down there. :up:

[Dyer]

yeah should be good i hope.

where is racing the next weekend??!!

[Grizzly]

My mistake. It's a Preston MCC's Roadrace School & Junior Development Day at Broadford VIC. Almost sounds worth it joining Preston MCC so you can attend one of these days.

Looks like we have the following so far:

Me (drz)
Spence
Drew
Bruce (husky...which one?)
Jeram
SMCCommuter (SMC690)
Dyer (CRF?)
Adrian (SMC690)
Marty (CRF)

For those that are coming for the BBQ but don't have a bike, you're more than welcome to borrow my trusty E for a session.

[Martyd]

I'll be there.....

[Grizzly]

I'll be there.....

I really need to give them a call tomorrow morning!

[Martyd]

See if they'll open early...

[bruce1937]

My mistake. It's a Preston MCC's Roadrace School & Junior Development Day at Broadford VIC. Almost sounds worth it joining Preston MCC so you can attend one of these days.

Looks like we have the following so far:

Me (drz)
Spence
Drew
Bruce (husky...which one?)
Jeram
SMCCommuter (SMC690)
Dyer (CRF?)
Adrian (SMC690)
Marty (CRF)

For those that are coming for the BBQ but don't have a bike, you're more than welcome to borrow my trusty E for a session.


Actually if you attend this race school the cost includes 12 months membership of Preston MC club. check out the Preston MCC web site for details

[Grizzly]

See if they'll open early...

Will do. How early? 9am? 10am? What's normally early?

Actually if you attend this race school the cost includes 12 months membership of Preston MC club. check out the Preston MCC web site for details

That is such good value How much is the race license on top of that?

[Jeram]

My mistake. It's a Preston MCC's Roadrace School & Junior Development Day at Broadford VIC. Almost sounds worth it joining Preston MCC so you can attend one of these days.

Looks like we have the following so far:

Me (drz)
Spence
Drew
Bruce (husky...which one?)
Jeram
SMCCommuter (SMC690)
Dyer (CRF?)
Adrian (SMC690)
Marty (CRF)

For those that are coming for the BBQ but don't have a bike, you're more than welcome to borrow my trusty E for a session.

you want me to ride a four stroke!
nah that actually sounds like fun :D

If only my bike was finished :(
should be ready for whenever the next trackday is

cheers !

[bruce1937]

The payment also covers a 1 day licence.
A full licence depends on what type of licence you want, contact MA for details.

[Jeram]

hang on so whats going on????

isnt this a TT day?

now people are talking about licences and broadford?

[Daws]

The Preston Race School sounds like a bargain. The Preston membership works out pretty cheap too at $40.

[Grizzly]

hang on so whats going on????

isnt this a TT day?

now people are talking about licences and broadford?

Easy Jeram, we're talking a TT day on the 20th here. No licenses required, just $35.

Bruce is doing the Broadford day on the 25th.

[Grizzly]

All, I feel like a complete Moron!:loser:

TT South Morang is not open on Mondays so the track day is off! Tina said she would open for 20 riders or more but even if this were the case, they don't open until 12:30pm weekdays. I don't expect we would get 20 riders on a weekday.

I apologise for getting everyones hopes up. I really should have done some more research before starting the thread.

Maybe we could do a road ride instead

[Jeram]

ahh dang...

so whats wrong with booking it in on a weekend or a friday????

Grizzly if its only 35 bucks Ill enter if someone can give me a go on one of their bikes for a session or two...

Ill be taking it real nice and easy though as this will be new to me and not my bike :)

Being that its only 35 bucks I reckon we can get the numbers up if we postpone the date so that we have time to recruit lots of people!

IE: ring everyone you know who owns a dirt bike, drop some photocopied fliers off a at bike shops, post it all over the forums.. you know the drill!

[bruce1937]

What a bummer!! so I take it they are open on the other weekdays but only from 12.30pm? I will still be going on Tuesday or Wednesday as I want to check my bike before the race school.


All, I feel like a complete Moron!:loser:

TT South Morang is not open on Mondays so the track day is off! Tina said she would open for 20 riders or more but even if this were the case, they don't open until 12:30pm weekdays. I don't expect we would get 20 riders on a weekday.

I apologise for getting everyones hopes up. I really should have done some more research before starting the thread.

Maybe we could do a road ride instead

[spence]

Blokes,

How about we use some arithmetic:p

20x$35 = $700

7x$100 = $700

I believe we can get more then 7 riders and less then $100 for a track day is dirt cheap considering we can have the whole track all day( no karts)


I think it would be a good idea to have it the monday following our social meeting on the sat ( so there's face's to commit:D)

[MarkeeMark]

Spence TT isn't open on Mondays and 20 riders anytime at TT is unheard of, let alone on a Monday.
I doubt that we'd ever get a day to ourselves without handing over thousands of dollars up front either.
A weekday would be ideal but don't go there thinking you'll have it all to yourself for hours on end.
Pick any other weekday ring the track prior and ask if it's ok if you come down with a few others, be polite and you'll have a ball, will be exhausted cos there's much riding to be had and leave with a huge grin and less rubber than which you came.

[spence]

All, I feel like a complete Moron!:loser:

TT South Morang is not open on Mondays so the track day is off! Tina said she would open for 20 riders or more but even if this were the case, they don't open until 12:30pm weekdays. I don't expect we would get 20 riders on a weekday.

I apologise for getting everyones hopes up. I really should have done some more research before starting the thread.

Maybe we could do a road ride instead

Spence TT isn't open on Mondays and 20 riders anytime at TT is unheard of, let alone on a Monday.
I doubt that we'd ever get a day to ourselves without handing over thousands of dollars up front either.
A weekday would be ideal but don't go there thinking you'll have it all to yourself for hours on end.
Pick any other weekday ring the track prior and ask if it's ok if you come down with a few others, be polite and you'll have a ball, will be exhausted cos there's much riding to be had and leave with a huge grin and less rubber than which you came.


So if 7 rider's commit to $100 each the track still makes there money,

And because there not open on a monday usually I don't think any karts would rock up:up:

I think what i am geting at is anything can be done with a positive, professional attitude :D

[Dyer]

road trip to stony creek??

(if they have the drainage sorted there)

[Jeram]

sounds like a plan daniel...
and yes, I totally agree, if theyve offered it to us for 700 bucks on a monday they why the hell not!
there should be any or many karts there on that particular day.

I think someone should confirm those $$$ amounts first, but being the grizzly has spoken to them directly Ill let him speak up !

[Grizzly]

Sorry guys; I'm going to be off line until Sunday week. I'm happy to talk to TT about a motard only day on a Monday if that's what your thinking. I'll have a chat to them when I get back.

[Jeram]

yeah, being that you've already made contact with them, that would be the professional thing to do.

instead of 10 different people calling up asking 'can we have a fang on your track'

once I meet the track operators on the first track day, Im more than happy to take over the track communications if needed, up to you :)
just trying to pitch in!

[MarkeeMark]

Sorry guys I wouldn't pay $100 to ride at TT exclusively it's just to small and I've ridden so many laps there it just gets boring to be honest.
But when my bikes is up and running again and the opportunity arises to ride it either at TT or somewhere else I will give it a hiding!

[Jeram]

thats OK, it will only take 7 of us to raise the cash, and the more ppl we get the cheaper it will be

[mixd]

I often thought that it might be time to offer them more than the $35 they charge now because it seems obvious they are losing interest in having us there.
So even if it was $60, still cheap for a days riding on a track, small track, but a track in the metro area...not many other options really.

[Twatty]

I had a blast at TT, but I would think $50 or $60 is all it's worth. Thats about what we pay for TBMP over here and thats a much bigger track

[Martyd]

A usual flaw will be the number of those who say "I'll be there" and te same few turn up.

[Jeram]

A usual flaw will be the number of those who say "I'll be there" and te same few turn up.

This can be easily avoided if you use your brains.

If you want to enter the trackday you must attend the Melbourne monthly meeting prior to the event commit in person, pay the entry fee (its only $35 FFS) and discus items such as travel, trailers, car pooling, rules...

or if you cant make it to the meeting you would be required to pay the entry at least a week before the event.

No 'on the day' entrants... this will at first work against us in terms of getting larger entrant numbers but would be better in the long run.

this way you dont have to worry if people dont bother turning up because you've already got their money... put it on the bar tab at the next monthy meeting LOL

[Martyd]

This can be easily avoided if you use your brains.

If you want to enter the trackday you must attend the Melbourne monthly meeting prior to the event commit in person, pay the entry fee (its only $35 FFS) and discus items such as travel, trailers, car pooling, rules...

or if you cant make it to the meeting you would be required to pay the entry at least a week before the event.

No 'on the day' entrants... this will at first work against us in terms of getting larger entrant numbers but would be better in the long run.

this way you dont have to worry if people dont bother turning up because you've already got their money... put it on the bar tab at the next monthy meeting LOL

been attempted..wont work..

BennyV organized a full day at Bairnsdale.. whole day of track to motards... People then said "cant we organize races?" and few turned up to Bairnsdale.. It was a great day, but still lacked numbers..
Organized TT days always end up with 1/4 of those who say they are coming...
People pay up front? - we are talking about tight ass motarders..Good luck with that...

I have given up organizing TT days..now i just work in with TT and take my bike down on my own, they are pretty good if your flexible. I give them a couple of weeks notice for a mid week day and get there when they open. I ride and when the karts show up, I give them right of way.. Plenty of track time for me and i'm gone by 5...

I certainly dont think its worth $100 for a day...

[JB]

Jeram - I like your enthusiasm and I hope it works for you. But please dont be disappointed if it doesnt work or you cant get the commitment.
How many people do you have writing in this particular thread that you could be interested... not 7 (you will need to rely on the lurkers).
Even before the Bairnsdale event, there was a Broadford day arranged, pending enough numbers there was too be track time dedicated to motards happening... all sounded sweet and then on the day not enough turned up (I was bikeless at the time - so someone may need to jump in and correct me if I am wrong).
For me TT is just not worth it - Im not talking dollars, im talking time* and effort. No chance for me during the week and weekends are packed, if I wanted even more track time Id be signing up for more Broadford events. For me the extra hour in the car and extra $100 is well worth the differential between the two tracks (TrackSnob ; ).).
I suppose what Im trying to say - is listen to the experiences of others. A vast array of members have been doing this for over 6 years - nobody has failed, but practical vs. theoretical are miles apart.
Theres more road riders here than racers -probably easier to arrange a spur (or similar) ride and grow from that.

* I will end up spending 5-8 events (thats 10+ days) per year on a track.

[Jeram]

this insight is comming from someone whos bailed on the monthly meetings how many times? lolweve got a good regular turn out... come past one time and youll understand my optimism.ps. i missed the june meet up to apologies if you did actually turn up to that one :D..

[Martyd]

Monthly meetings? That's a funny one! A couple of people getting to a bar on a friday is a long way from getting a ride day or racing sorted.. Don't forget this forum still has a limited future because no one can be bothered taking it on.

Those who regularly ride TT (yes there is 3 or 4 of us) no longer bother mentioning it because the result is a bunch of "gonna's", I now worry about myself and organise my track time to suit me.

I'm sure Jeram you mention "if only my bike was ready" and "I should be ready by the next one".. Does this mean you would have showed up on the 20th and paid to watch?

The only way to get a reasonable turn out would be to give 4 months notice, guarantee good weather, make it free, pick everyone up, supply race bikes and have Jeff Ward giving free advice...

[Jeram]

to say that that organising fun track days wont succeed simply with the premise of 'they didnt work for me' is a futile and useless argument comparable with stating the earth is flat simply because you have yet to circumnavigate, departing from the east and arriving from the west.

Grizzly had offered to bring his spare bike and I was willing to pay the full entry amount to a single session ride on any bike whether it be a decent bike or a tatty POS.

if you dont want to be involved with the meetings and the trackdays as youve clearly stated, please refrain from posting negative comments on how it will never work,
all your doing is discouraging any potential new recruits.
thats not very constructive behavior for a fellow motarder now is it?

[Jeram]

A usual flaw will be the number of those who say "I'll be there" and te same few turn up.


I will attend the next one....

This one will be worth going to with special appearances from me, Markee and Drew..


Limit one autograph per person, no personalising of autographs, byo sharpie..

Attendances: zero

I believe that makes you one of the aforementioned "I'll be there" guys
:P
take it on the chin

[SM93]

vic just doesnt have the numbers to book the whole track for the day. its been done/tried a hundred times before. u would be better off going during the week and worrying about urself. its pretty clear from the responses on here there isnt the interest. Most Vic guys are street for life have tried TT and decided its to much like proper riding and would rather go dodge traffic instead.

ragging on other members who have tried it before and gone out of thier way to organise and give u advice its pretty silly. yeah it might be negative but its also true. I am sure half the people at the meetings are the ones who never turn up. turning up to a meeting and talk shit is alot easier than turning up to race track and actually riding. Most of the vic crew are street for life keyboard warriors.

good to see ur trying but i wouldn't rely on the responses from the Vic crew or you will end up with empty track and a $700 bill

[Martyd]

If track days are what people want to do, then people need to attend the events that have been/are available. You seem to forget that there are race guys here, social road riders and people who do both. A night at the pub is a social gathering and really only good for organising road rides. How will it help with organising track day? 20 people turn up, 10 say they want to do a TT day and as usual, the same 3-4 people actually show up.
I turn up to races and track days (I did a track day on 2hrs sleep after driving back from south oz) and I've hit TT 3 times in the last 5 weeks.. The guys I know will show are told, but I work around myself - otherwise it will be a waste of a thread.

[JB]

this insight is comming from someone whos bailed on the monthly meetings how many times? ...

? Are you referring to me? Ive never bailed on it, as I've never committed to going.


Just to be clear, I'm (as are the others) trying to share historical experiences. I'm quite happy with my own riding opportunities. I'm not complaining at all. A little more competition on the track would be nice, but lack of it won't change how I go about my approach to racing.

[Jeram]

no that wasnt directed at you :)

you just happened to post momments before I hit the post button so it went directly under your post...

I find your posts to be informative.


There will be no $700 bill to foot fellas, only an inexperienced fool would pay upfront for a trackday and not collect the money first.

and simply if there are not enough people to book out the whole track, then we just got with 3 or 4 of us to the track and share the track with the karters in seperate classes

and if no1 wants to put up the money then I conceed defeat and go on my own, lesson learnt, no harm done, no money lost :)

[Jeram]

If track days are what people want to do, then people need to attend the events that have been/are available.

when was the last time TT was made available for a bike only day?

20 people turn up, 10 say they want to do a TT day and as usual, the same 3-4 people actually show up.
as I said previously, there is a difference between being interested and actually turning up, that is why only a fool would put someones name on the attendee list until entry was paid for in advance.. I can really start to see where its gone pear shape for you guys in the past if your train of thought is 'book track first, collect entrants second'...


The guys I know will show are told, but I work around myself - otherwise it will be a waste of a thread.

fair call ;)

[Martyd]

TT has never had a bike only day - they will never let it happen. The random karters and the members are too valuable to turn away. They take way more than $700 in income from a day.. You really need to call joe and do some homework.

[Jeram]

acording to grizzly who spoke to them, they were going to open up on a monday for us for that much.

can you confirm that grizzly?

but thats not really the point... all were trying to do is get as many motard folk as we can to the track on the same day. I just dont understand your negativity.
Just because you couldnt get the job done doesnt mean others arnt allowed to have a crack at it ;)