Whos in what in 2011 - EU Champs

[Muzzard]

Davide Gozzini off to KTM for 2011

http://supermotoonline.com/747%20Webd/thumbs/IMG_8364.jpg http://supermotoonline.com/747%20Webd/thumbs/IMG_8373.jpg

Link from Dennis Andersons SMO ;)
http://supermotoonline.com/747%20Webd/index747%20Motorsports%20SM%202011.html

[Joe]

When I was in NZ he said to me that might be the case. Will be good to see how he goes and what he thinks of the bike.

[Martyd]

It will be interesting to see if gozzini comes to Australia this year... Interesting to see in the press release he mentions The downsizing of the supermoto program by the pesaro outfit...
With the Australian scene in poor form and no AMA in the states anymore, is the sport in it's final death roll?

[shane]

The euro's was ok acording to my mate in Spain but the world was poor alot of that due tothe 1000 euro entrypr round so 15-16 on the grid where the european race was a full grid
hesaid you could see the difference since 2 years ago a few of the top guys turned up with2 bikes in a van and popped a awning up no more big transporters etc
iwonder how much longer it will keep going

[Muzzard]

The writing has been on the wall for a few years -
Having said that rebranding supermoto would work as has been the interest in the UrbanCross concept.
Dennis Anderson is moving forward in the States with stand alone big events and Michigan Series is rockin'

Like Shane said the Euro Championship was full grids yet the Worlds poorly attended.
Longi needs a foot up the arse for levelling stupid fees to put a bike on the grid.
But still hes fat and rich so probably doesnt give a flying fuck anyway.
World MX will keep him fat :roll:

The Italian, Dutch and German Championships also get good numbers on the grids.

Move forward from dirt sections that are a pain in the arse for everyone to install, maintain and clean up after.
Welcome the scaffold jump sections and open up more venues that have multipurpose layouts or runoff roads infield / large araeas of hard standing like a carpark adjacent.
Scaffold can span fences, grassed areas, stairs, retaining walls etc.
Theres a host that immediately sping to mind ;)


Its not dead -
Just having a breath while it regroups ;)

[Martyd]

The writing has been on the wall for a few years


Its not dead -
Just having a breath while it regroups ;)

How many times can something be reborn?

With the downsizing o/s, the sport is in a world of trouble.

How can Australia stand a chance of building supermoto when the world is shying away? The Australian public already has limited access to supermoto, importers bring in almost nothing for it, limited bikes are available and the only real method of communication is this forum. Whilst this forum is entertaining, it certainly doesn't really reach a majority of riders.
I'm sure if I opened a supermoto store, I wouldn't be in business long....

The demise of supermoto at X Games truly shows that supermoto is viewed as an event with no public interest..

The road racer guys will never be interested in supermoto, they will always prefer the litre bikes and times around the island.
Offroad trail riders love the outdoors and like big fat bikes like xr's- family guys who love riding with their mates... Supermoto will be too "organized" and expensive..
Motocross guys, have the bikes and are the only chance for the sport.. Unfortunately most of these guys are fairly "clicky" and more concerned about Unit stickers on their Chev badges ute.. They consider motocross as the coolest thing around..

How do we beat the trend?
How do we get the MX guys behind it?

[Ash007]

How do we beat the trend?
How do we get the MX guys behind it?
I am a motocross guy and to be honest you would need to make entry fees as cheap as MX (eg. $35 club meets and $60-$80 regions championships) and provide fairly regular access to tracks (at least once a week) to get alot of MX guys to make the switch. When i first told some of my MX mates I was going to give SM a try, they predicted pretty accuratly what would happen, I would spend alot of money to get the same ride time as MX and get sick and tired of only getting to ride once a month at best.

If every state had a Supermoto club with a full time Supermoto track things would look alot better here................. It's nice to dream. :)

Just to be on topic, I hope anyone other than a KTM rider wins.

[Daws]

Ok, bit of an off-topic rant but I feel the need...

Ash - to be fair, you never actually rode SM, you did one trackday at Lakeside, a couple of road race meets at Morgan Park. Admittedly there wasn't exactly and abundance of SM events or opportunities to practice.

Supermoto needs a bitumen circuit and these cost a lot of money to build, therefore track hire fees are higher. Obviously more riders means that you can reduce the entry fees but when the regulations only allow 30 bikes on track at once (this varies depending on track width etc), the theoretical maximum amount of riders per event is probably around the 100 mark.

Other costs are higher too, tyres don't come cheap and you need to spend a few grand on top of the purchase of your new MX bike for wheels, brakes and leathers. We worked out that most club racers wouldn't be able to afford to race more than 8 times in a season.

Supermoto arrived in Australia with a big bang early last decade but it faltered with no club base or infrastructure to support it at a grass-roots level and a shortage of tracks. Nothing has changed with the sport, it's still as exciting to watch and it's no less fun to ride. It may never get back to the level of those early days and remain a kind of niche sport but that seems to work fine for Dirt-track and Speedway.

Maybe we don't need the MX guys, well at least not all of them. Without fail, almost everyone I know, who has tried Supermoto loves it regardless of their riding background - Dirt trackers, enduro tree-huggers, road racers, even flat-brim cap wearing MX riders, they all love it.

I don't know if reinvention is the key to the sport's future success but it probably can't hurt if it's done well. We need to get people racing Supermoto bikes in whatever form we can, be it roadracing or a small Supermoto series piggy-backed off a bigger series - like the ASBK idea.

The truth is, I don't know what the solution is, all I know is that I'm going to keep riding my Supermoto and hope sooner or later that the rest of the world comes to their senses ;)

[charlie]

i actually like the idea of scaffold jumps etc.. quick easy to install, with a bit of skill and thought go into the planning of a track or space some great obstacles could be built with them.
many of the things that have been mentioned are sadly true though... one that hit hard is the cost and the competition's costs..

maybe organise a ct110 rallye witha few bits of scaffold in a local sportsground utilising some of their carpark, and ultimately wrecking the ct's a finale could be some real tards on show

perhap's one day something may eventuate...

[SM93]

it only stops when when people dont ride there bikes anymore. there is heaps of riding around if u are committed. its not perfect but things are moving ahead and if u ask the right people cheap practice and racing is on offer. i think communication of trck days and racing is a huge factor.

the FIM made a big mistake ditching the bigbore class

Its good to get your feedback Ash but i think u proved roadracing takes more committment that u have to offer. its a shame u will go back to ur disipline with a bad taste in ur mouth but ultimately doing 2 race meets doesnt really give u any authority pass judgement on the sport. If we all took ur approach to SM it would be dead.

[MarkeeMark]

Scaffolding sounds great but the deterioration of dirt over the day makes it more interesting every time you come round.